POSTGAME: Rd 16 vs Fremantle

[Ham 741]

17 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Btw Kozzie got fined, again, for a rough conduct charge.  Yet nothing to the Freo players who flattened Viney and Hunt with body hits to the head.  Would have expected fines for them at least.  Nothing.

How does the hit against Hunt not get recognised with a suspension? Was late, high and careless. 

[Robot Devil 1,895]

46 minutes ago, Ham said:

How does the hit against Hunt not get recognised with a suspension? Was late, high and careless. 

Because Melbourne. 

[layzie 33,796]

1 hour ago, Ham said:

How does the hit against Hunt not get recognised with a suspension? Was late, high and careless. 

Would have been nice if it was at least looked at as the elbow did go up. May have been for his own protection but if we're going to judge things on how hurt someone is then make it consistent. 

[Pates 9,660]

13 hours ago, layzie said:

Would have been nice if it was at least looked at as the elbow did go up. May have been for his own protection but if we're going to judge things on how hurt someone is then make it consistent. 

There were small moments in the game where someone needed to step in to give players advice, that was one of them. Hunt was clearly disoriented and wasn't in the best condition to take the kick, why didn't someone walk over to him and say "Hunty you did your job, you put your body on the line now get checked out and let someone else take the kick". Same with Preuss, trying to kick for goal from an impossible angle. Someone should have gone to him and told him exactly where to put it.

Down to poor leadership at the end of the day.

[kev martin 9,891]

14 hours ago, layzie said:

Would have been nice if it was at least looked at as the elbow did go up. May have been for his own protection but if we're going to judge things on how hurt someone is then make it consistent. 

I don't get why it wasn't 50 meters.

The head sacrosanct, unless it is the lesser players and clubs.

Choose to bump, put his shoulder into the head deliberately and feet left the ground.

No protection from AFL incorporated. 

[Half forward flank 1,022]

Hey AF.

You might have sounded knowlegeble making me sound outdated defended Goodys full man/ part man presses but like to hear you debate Luke Hodge who ridiculed our defence.

Luke Hodge says Melbourne’s lack of uncontested possessions in Monday night's loss to Fremantle exposed the side’s defensive frailties.

The Demons went down by 14 points in wet and windy conditions at Cazaly's Stadium in Cairns, losing the uncontested possession count by a whopping 108.If Hodge was a leader at Melbourne, he would immediately question their defensive mindset and whether certain players in the side were “only worried about getting the ball”.

“When you’re in those conditions, it’s usually a surge game and contested style of football,” the four-time premiership Hawk told SEN’s Whateley.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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“Fremantle last night had 206 uncontested possession to Melbourne’s 98 and what that shows me is defensively you’re not switched on so you’re only worried about getting the ball.

“If I was captain, I would be looking at that and saying, ‘Where’s you’re effort defensively?’, as soon as you bring defensive effort and shut down half those uncontested possessions, it makes Fremantle doubt themselves and then they’ll start making mistakes.

“The way Melbourne defended against them, Freo could do whatever they wanted so that would be the first thing I would (point out) – don’t worry about offensively getting the ball before their midfield can find the ball.

“Where they need to start focusing is defensively and making the opposition doubt and putting fear in their mind so when they do get the ball, they make mistakes and they can score from turnover.

“They need to dig deeper on the defensive end.”

Melbourne now face an uphill battle to play finals after two losses in the space of five days, which leaves them in 10th spot with two games left to play.

[binman 42,942]

18 hours ago, jnrmac said:

No one gets to AFL without some decent skills. Yes they can fail under pressure but they all start with being able to kick handball and mark

That may have been true 20 years ago. But it isn't any more. Plenty of players set to the AFL with sub standard skills  particularly kicking skills.

You only have to look who we have drafted in the last decade.

Kicking takes years of practice. And time. Like a golf swing it has to be drilled through repetition. Hundreds of thousands of kicks.

Twenty plus years ago kids played kick to kick in the strrets, in parks and at school. Have a look around next year and see how many kids you see kicking the footy for fun or even just have a footy in their hands.

Also now the the kids getting drafted have more often than not played more than one sport, frequently at an elite level. So have to spilt their training tim and practice times. Which might help in some ways (eg translatable skills) but does nothing in terms of helping develop kicking skills.

And I don't know but I'd be guessing that in elite junior footy rhey spend less time on kicking skills now (as they have to focus on a bunch of other things like tactics) than they did 30 years ago.

Just on kicks Liam Ryan for the Eagles is the sweetest kick i have seen for years. A thing if beauty. Economical action, great rhythm and deadly accurate.

Ill bet London to a brick he grew up with a footy in his hand.

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

38 minutes ago, Half forward flank said:

Hey AF.

You might have sounded knowlegeble making me sound outdated defended Goodys full man/ part man presses but like to hear you debate Luke Hodge who ridiculed our defence.

Luke Hodge says Melbourne’s lack of uncontested possessions in Monday night's loss to Fremantle exposed the side’s defensive frailties.

The Demons went down by 14 points in wet and windy conditions at Cazaly's Stadium in Cairns, losing the uncontested possession count by a whopping 108.If Hodge was a leader at Melbourne, he would immediately question their defensive mindset and whether certain players in the side were “only worried about getting the ball”.

“When you’re in those conditions, it’s usually a surge game and contested style of football,” the four-time premiership Hawk told SEN’s Whateley.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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“Fremantle last night had 206 uncontested possession to Melbourne’s 98 and what that shows me is defensively you’re not switched on so you’re only worried about getting the ball.

“If I was captain, I would be looking at that and saying, ‘Where’s you’re effort defensively?’, as soon as you bring defensive effort and shut down half those uncontested possessions, it makes Fremantle doubt themselves and then they’ll start making mistakes.

“The way Melbourne defended against them, Freo could do whatever they wanted so that would be the first thing I would (point out) – don’t worry about offensively getting the ball before their midfield can find the ball.

“Where they need to start focusing is defensively and making the opposition doubt and putting fear in their mind so when they do get the ball, they make mistakes and they can score from turnover.

“They need to dig deeper on the defensive end.”

Melbourne now face an uphill battle to play finals after two losses in the space of five days, which leaves them in 10th spot with two games left to play.

The chances to play accountable footy this season against the likes of the Cats in the early part of the year and other games like the one just gone have long passed us by HFF.

You rarely get second chances at this level and i'm not even sure Goody has the will or the wherewithal to bring this into the group.

We are easy beats for very good reasons.

[Half forward flank 1,022]

4 minutes ago, Rusty Nails said:

The chances to play accountable footy this season against the likes of the Cats in the early part of the year and other games like the one just gone have long passed us by HFF.

You rarely get second chances at this level and i'm not even sure Goody has the will or the wherewithal to bring this into the group.

We are easy beats for very good reasons.

So true RN. I think when Goody told the players at half time to not play boring, what does that mean? enormously confused the players if he hasnt carefully explained they will not be held accountable for being daring and making the odd mistake, Malcolm Blight style. We do not know but I think it might be in the messaging RN

[jnrmac 20,063]

1 hour ago, Half forward flank said:

Hey AF.

You might have sounded knowlegeble making me sound outdated defended Goodys full man/ part man presses but like to hear you debate Luke Hodge who ridiculed our defence.

Luke Hodge says Melbourne’s lack of uncontested possessions in Monday night's loss to Fremantle exposed the side’s defensive frailties.

The Demons went down by 14 points in wet and windy conditions at Cazaly's Stadium in Cairns, losing the uncontested possession count by a whopping 108.If Hodge was a leader at Melbourne, he would immediately question their defensive mindset and whether certain players in the side were “only worried about getting the ball”.

“When you’re in those conditions, it’s usually a surge game and contested style of football,” the four-time premiership Hawk told SEN’s Whateley.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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“Fremantle last night had 206 uncontested possession to Melbourne’s 98 and what that shows me is defensively you’re not switched on so you’re only worried about getting the ball.

“If I was captain, I would be looking at that and saying, ‘Where’s you’re effort defensively?’, as soon as you bring defensive effort and shut down half those uncontested possessions, it makes Fremantle doubt themselves and then they’ll start making mistakes.

“The way Melbourne defended against them, Freo could do whatever they wanted so that would be the first thing I would (point out) – don’t worry about offensively getting the ball before their midfield can find the ball.

“Where they need to start focusing is defensively and making the opposition doubt and putting fear in their mind so when they do get the ball, they make mistakes and they can score from turnover.

“They need to dig deeper on the defensive end.”

Melbourne now face an uphill battle to play finals after two losses in the space of five days, which leaves them in 10th spot with two games left to play.

This is why Goodwin can't coach

It was I think 103 to 44 at half time

Blindly freaking obvious how Freo were playing yet we did nothing at all about letting them control the football

Anyone care to defend that? 

He's [censored] hopeless so it's our vaunted leadership

 

Get hodge

[layzie 33,796]

2 hours ago, Pates said:

There were small moments in the game where someone needed to step in to give players advice, that was one of them. Hunt was clearly disoriented and wasn't in the best condition to take the kick, why didn't someone walk over to him and say "Hunty you did your job, you put your body on the line now get checked out and let someone else take the kick". Same with Preuss, trying to kick for goal from an impossible angle. Someone should have gone to him and told him exactly where to put it.

Down to poor leadership at the end of the day.

Absolutely, and the more I've seen it since the more I get angry about it. Pretty sure Melksham was one of the closest, there's definitely something in it when people say they are playing for themselves right now. 

[Bring-Back-Powell 14,820]

Playing Preuss in horrid conditions as a forward/resting ruck was an embarrassing call by the selectors. One we were all critical of in the lead up to the game.

Why didn't they play T Mac or Brown as our second key forward?

[leave it to deever 17,511]

On 9/9/2020 at 3:08 PM, Ham said:

Gawn, Trac, Hibberd, Jetta, Melksham just off the top of my head. 

I would remove melksham fro this list.

[leave it to deever 17,511]

On 9/10/2020 at 10:20 AM, Bring-Back-Powell said:

Playing Preuss in horrid conditions as a forward/resting ruck was an embarrassing call by the selectors. One we were all critical of in the lead up to the game.

Why didn't they play T Mac or Brown as our second key forward?

I was one of the posters that called for Preuss to be included up frwd a few weeks ago given that tmac was not working.

I was told by a few that this was a bad call. Happy when they did choose him so I could bathe in a haughty atttitude.

I was wrong. So very wrong. 

[Demon17 5,188]

On 9/10/2020 at 8:51 AM, jnrmac said:

This is why Goodwin can't coach

It was I think 103 to 44 at half time

Blindly freaking obvious how Freo were playing yet we did nothing at all about letting them control the football

Anyone care to defend that? 

He's [censored] hopeless so it's our vaunted leadership

 

Get hodge

Harsh but accurate.

This issue that 'blind freddie' could see can be added to the list in general - dominating inside 50's, Taps to advantage for little rewards, goal kicking inaccuracy, failure to hit targets.

All since 2017 yet Simon keeps talking without any perceived actions and/or corresponding improvements.

I hope we make it , but insipid performances next 2 weeks will put Simon under the Board's blowtoch big time I would have thought and may be a blessing in disguise.

Finals this year will be simply a reprieve for the end of his contract.

[binman 42,942]

On 9/10/2020 at 8:51 AM, jnrmac said:

This is why Goodwin can't coach

It was I think 103 to 44 at half time

Blindly freaking obvious how Freo were playing yet we did nothing at all about letting them control the football

Anyone care to defend that? 

He's [censored] hopeless so it's our vaunted leadership

 

Get hodge

I won't defend it per se junior.

But i listended to that hodge interview (actually really insightful). In regard to tbe uncontested possessions his criticsism was firmly on the players, not goody, for simply not gut running to get across and cover. Basically said they did not work hard enough. 

[Ham 741]

3 hours ago, leave it to deever said:

I would remove melksham fro this list.

Fair.

He was a pretty mundane half back to then a pretty handy half forward.
He has fallen off the cliff quite fast.