Angus Brayshaw

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What has happened to Angus Brayshaw? In 2018 he was a ball magnet with questionable skills. But was aggressive and hard at it.

Now he looks like he can't get out of 2nd gear. He looks sloppy and slow, non-competitive. He gets pushed off the ball easily and runs with a lethargic sloppy slow appearance.

He came in as a number 3 draft pick and looked a ready made player. Today he looks a shadow of the player he was. 

Can someone please tell me why this has happened to him?

[binman 43,826]

Classic sci fi trope is the answer.

Someone else has replaced him and is using his body as a shell. Possibly an alien. Though that is unconfirmed.

The real question is where is gus?

[dazzledavey36 55,366]

He was barely in the center circle throughout game and at times was on the wing.

[whatwhat say what 22,950]

unfortunately he's incredibly one-dimensional, doesn't work hard defensively, and has chronic poor disposal

he's no better / worse than dom tyson

shoulda traded him at the end of 2018

[Wrecker45 3,378]

Jordan will be better. Both get the footy as inside mids and needd to play in the centre but Jordan has a laser like kick Brayshaw just blazes away..

[dazzledavey36 55,366]

8 minutes ago, whatwhatsaywhat said:

unfortunately he's incredibly one-dimensional, doesn't work hard defensively, and has chronic poor disposal

he's no better / worse than dom tyson

shoulda traded him at the end of 2018

What a stupid thing to say

He just finished 3rd in the brownlow and look destined to become a star of the competition.

We had just traded Hogan and trading Brayshaw at the time would have been a real uproar with supporters.

Everyone is a hindsight hero at times.

Edited June 14, 2020 by dazzledavey36

[dazzledavey36 55,366]

1 minute ago, Wrecker45 said:

Jordan will be better. Both get the footy as inside mids and needd to play in the centre but Jordan has a laser like kick Brayshaw just blazes away..

No he wont.

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1 minute ago, dazzledavey36 said:

What a stupid thing to say

He just finished 3rd in the brownlow and look destined to become a star of thr competition.

We had just traded Hogan and trading Brayshaw at the time wpuld have been a real uproar with supporters.

Everyone is a hindsight hero at times.

nope, i said so at the time

he's always been a frontrunner

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2 minutes ago, Wrecker45 said:

Jordan will be better. Both get the footy as inside mids and needd to play in the centre but Jordan has a laser like kick Brayshaw just blazes away..

There's little evidence from training or Casey games that Jordon is a laser like kicker, can be good with some time and space and has penetration but has never looked classy like Rivers did immediately and isn't any quicker than Gus. 

[dazzledavey36 55,366]

1 minute ago, DeeSpencer said:

There's little evidence from training or Casey games that Jordon is a laser like kicker, can be good with some time and space and has penetration but has never looked classy like Rivers did immediately and isn't any quicker than Gus. 

Agree, hes an honest plodder.

With the list reductions this year, i expect Jordon to be cut.

Edited June 14, 2020 by dazzledavey36

[Wrecker45 3,378]

1 minute ago, DeeSpencer said:

There's little evidence from training or Casey games that Jordon is a laser like kicker, can be good with some time and space and has penetration but has never looked classy like Rivers did immediately and isn't any quicker than Gus. 

His kicking at Casey has been spot on. He's also not slower than Gus.

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16 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

He was barely in the center circle throughout game and at times was on the wing.

If this is true it is bizarre! Clearly plays his best footy as a rover and we got smashed for 3 qtr against Carlton in that area. Surely he plays there next week?

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1 minute ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Agree, hes an honest plodder.

With the list reductions this year, i expect Jordon to be cut.

I'm glad your not list manager.

Jordon will be in the starting midfield before the finals.

[DeeSpencer 26,084]

Brayshaw's best form came with Viney out and for his many faults Viney brings more burst at the contest, more pressure around the packs and more work rate.

In a side with Oliver, Viney and Petracca it's just hard for Gus to get the full minutes as the designated rover where he can use his smarts and clean hands in close to thrive. 

And he hasn't seemed to make the kind of drastic changes to his preparation to really go to the next level physically, nor can he replicate the first year success he had in the forward line with tackle pressure and hunting the contest. I'd have him play half back but it could just as quickly end badly as go well.

I firmly believe they looked in to trading him last year. If they didn't the club was negligent. And I also think the rest of the league probably took one look at his injury history and contract and said you can have a 3rd round pick and pay part of his contract. Freo of previous years probably would've done a better deal but Longmuir is smarter than most.

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1 minute ago, DeeSpencer said:

Brayshaw's best form came with Viney out and for his many faults Viney brings more burst at the contest, more pressure around the packs and more work rate.

In a side with Oliver, Viney and Petracca it's just hard for Gus to get the full minutes as the designated rover where he can use his smarts and clean hands in close to thrive. 

And he hasn't seemed to make the kind of drastic changes to his preparation to really go to the next level physically, nor can he replicate the first year success he had in the forward line with tackle pressure and hunting the contest. I'd have him play half back but it could just as quickly end badly as go well.

I firmly believe they looked in to trading him last year. If they didn't the club was negligent. And I also think the rest of the league probably took one look at his injury history and contract and said you can have a 3rd round pick and pay part of his contract. Freo of previous years probably would've done a better deal but Longmuir is smarter than most.

You think the change would have to be made after Carlton absolutely smashed us for clearances for 3 qtr despite gawnys dominance.

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2 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

I firmly believe they looked in to trading him last year. If they didn't the club was negligent. And I also think the rest of the league probably took one look at his injury history and contract and said you can have a 3rd round pick and pay part of his contract. Freo of previous years probably would've done a better deal but Longmuir is smarter than most.

north were prepared to offer him a hefty contract at the end of 2018 but instead we signed him up to a fairly decent one instead

he's one more poor year away from being worth a lot less than a third rounder

Edited June 14, 2020 by whatwhatsaywhat

[dl4e 5,851]

Let him play half a dozen games before trying to kill him off. He wasn't that bad yesterday and remember he came 3rd in the brownlow having had to start the year off in the 2nds.

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callum mills was #3 pick ahead of oliver - he's possibly even more of a good-average afl level player than gus

mills makes salem look like a superstar

Edited June 14, 2020 by whatwhatsaywhat

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15 minutes ago, whatwhatsaywhat said:

unfortunately he's incredibly one-dimensional, doesn't work hard defensively, and has chronic poor disposal

Disagree. In the 2018 semi against the hawks, the greatest coach of the modern era opted to tag Brayshaw because he deemed him to be our most damaging midfielder. Brayshaw didn't have much influence in the middle, but went forward, took a couple of great marks and kicked 2 important goals. He's definitely not a winger, but he's not a one-trick pony either.  His downfall has been massive, but he has time to turn it around.

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1 minute ago, dl4e said:

Let him play half a dozen games before trying to kill him off. He wasn't that bad yesterday and remember he came 3rd in the brownlow having had to start the year off in the 2nds.

I'm not killing him off because I remember how good he was. 

In 2018 his disposal was poor, but the feeling was he was a competitor and could find the footy. My point is we haven't seen these qualities since 2018. 

 

Have we coached him to do something different or is it more intrinsically motivated?

[rufus 1,162]

Like all the other players at our club reaching their peak years, he needs to keep improving and be able to deliver a consistent minimum level of output. He's looking like being another on the long long list of talented MFC players who seem to go backwards with experience. Other than low expectations from supporters, teammates and the club in general i have no idea why this happens. You would think that all else failing, personal pride and drive would see these guys willing themselvesto be dominant.

[Watts the matter 1,235]

I won't be watching a replay but I didn't think he was that bad. When he was around the clearances he did some nice things. Only played 69% game time and showed some good courage sitting under the high ball with Casboult coming. His kicking is what it is. He is not much of a wingman and with Petracca spending more time in the midfield it's unfair to expect Brayshaw to dominate with limited opportunities.

 

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Appear completely disinterested. During the half time break was wandering aimlessly while Goodwin spoke. To drop form like he has seem to point to other issues. 

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1 minute ago, Deesprate said:

Appear completely disinterested. During the half time break was wandering aimlessly while Goodwin spoke. To drop form like he has seem to point to other issues. 

This is what I am wondering. I feel like he has intrinsically lost interest. His body language and lack of competitive drive being the main catalysts 

If he is not getting midfield minutes, he should be, and maybe that is why he has lost the competitive flare we saw in his first few years.

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41 minutes ago, whatwhatsaywhat said:

unfortunately he's incredibly one-dimensional, doesn't work hard defensively, and has chronic poor disposal

he's no better / worse than dom tyson

shoulda traded him at the end of 2018

Credit where credits due then. I personally was more of mid 2019 "We can trade him for Brad Hill" typa guy. And the usual fools scoffed at it.

Edited June 14, 2020 by John Demonic