21 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

why is AFL different

Don't know if it makes a good argument 'Jim'...but AFL would have to be the most demanding game across a range of requirements. Endurance, speed, strength...

6 minutes ago, Macca said:

And because of the 25%* injury rate the lists probably need to be increased (with greatly reduced salaries - especially at the top end)

should not be too hard for some boffin to tell us the median and average injury rate per club and across the comp for the last twenty years.

If it really is 25% (and I have no idea) that's nine players which would give you only 27 players to select from...cue the reduction in onfield numbers to 16 and three on the bench.

 

10 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

should not be too hard for some boffin to tell us the median and average injury rate per club and across the comp for the last twenty years.

If it really is 25% (and I have no idea) that's nine players which would give you only 27 players to select from...cue the reduction in onfield numbers to 16 and three on the bench.

Effectively sacking 180 players means that the elite and those below the elite get to keep most (if not all) of their individual salaries.

Where was this talk before the pandemic DJ? 

Now,  the reduced lists are being 'sold' in a different way but I'm not buying

I often do go along with the crowd though ... I truly believe that here in this country we are doing a fantastic job in fighting the virus

We should be proud of ourselves but we can't relax for a minute

 

 

Salary is an interesting one.

As an aside over the last few days I have enjoyed rewatching the mini series Bodyline and Howzat (the story of World Series Cricket). Somewhat ironic is the common person in both sagas, Don Bradman. In Bodyline he is anti Board pushing his right to earn money as a journalist while a team member and then in Howzat he is shown to have overseen a world where Dennis Lillee was said to be paid the same as the guy moving the sight screen.

Making the Australian cricket team  and staying around for five odd seasons should set you up for life. You are the creme de la creme of Australian sport.

Applying that to AFL the best argument the players have is that they should get thirty per cent of the gross.Now...how do you split that thirty per cent. I don't really know.

Similar discussions are now emerging around tennis where 70% or more of the prize money goes to the top 50 players

Edited April 20, 20205 yr by Diamond_Jim

35 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

Salary is an interesting one.

As an aside over the last few days I have enjoyed rewatching the mini series Bodyline and Howzat (the story of World Series Cricket). Somewhat ironic is the common person in both sagas, Don Bradman. In Bodyline he is anti Board pushing his right to earn money as a journalist while a team member and then in Howzat he is shown to have overseen a world where Dennis Lillee was said to be paid the same as the guy moving the sight screen.

Making the Australian cricket team  and staying around for five odd seasons should set you up for life. You are the creme de la creme of Australian sport.

Applying that to AFL the best argument the players have is that they should get thirty per cent of the gross.Now...how do you split that thirty per cent. I don't really know.

Similar discussions are now emerging around tennis where 70% or more of the prize money goes to the top 50 players

The whole reduced lists idea is being sold in a way that makes sense to the average footy fan.

Unless one is a cynic.

Should we ditch the highly costly under 18 comp as well?  Not exactly cost effective in pure money terms

The staff and coaches at all those under 18 clubs would cost a pretty packet. 

The next tier's down in a lot of sports need to be heavily subsidised ... Aussie rules included

So I'm in favour of retaining the reserves and the Under 18 comp - even though both comps are costly to run.

Edited April 20, 20205 yr by Macca

24 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

Salary is an interesting one.

As an aside over the last few days I have enjoyed rewatching the mini series Bodyline and Howzat (the story of World Series Cricket). Somewhat ironic is the common person in both sagas, Don Bradman. In Bodyline he is anti Board pushing his right to earn money as a journalist while a team member and then in Howzat he is shown to have overseen a world where Dennis Lillee was said to be paid the same as the guy moving the sight screen.

Making the Australian cricket team  and staying around for five odd seasons should set you up for life. You are the creme de la creme of Australian sport.

Applying that to AFL the best argument the players have is that they should get thirty per cent of the gross.Now...how do you split that thirty per cent. I don't really know.

Similar discussions are now emerging around tennis where 70% or more of the prize money goes to the top 50 players

As an aside have you watched Fire in Babylon? Love it.

17 minutes ago, Cards13 said:

As an aside have you watched Fire in Babylon? Love it.

Have not seen it...Will add it to my list

There are some great Indian cricket movies which although in Hindi make wonderful watching with subtitles.My favourite is Patiala House

While on Indian movies one of the best recent movies is the Three Idiots. It was one of the highest grossing movies in India and its story rings true for many nationalities 

Edited April 20, 20205 yr by Diamond_Jim

6 hours ago, drysdale demon said:

Judging by the number of people on the tan yesterday you would think there were no social distancing rules in place.

I'm in France where all the public parks and walks have been closed because of this. Hard even to find somewhere to walk the dog.

2 hours ago, Diamond_Jim said:

If it really is 25% (and I have no idea) that's nine players which would give you only 27 players to select from...cue the reduction in onfield numbers to 16 and three on the bench.

Our club often has 10 players or so on the injured list and some players often play injured (Brayshaw,  Jones,  T-Mac,  Viney et al)

Having a list of only 35 players when 22 have to play is cutting things way too fine.  Soccer lists are quite extensive (counting all those that are loaned out) yet only a maximum of 14 play in a game. 

There are other examples including a sport like baseball where the MLB clubs have numerous players to call on. 

38 minutes ago, bing181 said:

I'm in France where all the public parks and walks have been closed because of this. Hard even to find somewhere to walk the dog.

walking the dog is banned here .... not that I have one.

Luckily the apartment complex has a large garden so 10 times round the fenceline is a good work out. Mind you in 34 degree heat at 80% humidity I much prefer the pool which is closed .

5 hours ago, Diamond_Jim said:

There seems to be a concerted move to end the reserves/VFL comp as a cost saving measure. This would come with a reduction in the list size to the mid thirties. Assuming an injury level of 2-3 players that leaves around 10 players who don't make the senor team. Perhaps 12-14  if you reduce the on-field team to 16 with 3 or 4 on the bench

Interested in peoples thoughts as to whether you would just increase the training loads of these players or would you put them in different clubs,the one club or even loan a group of five (subject to recall)to one or more clubs.Traditionally we have always assumed that a player needs match fitness but I wonder whether this is now a thing of the past.

IF,  they are thinking of doing away with the VFL,  then they are thinking of playing teams twice a week. 

I hope not,  because it means BIG changes, less players on the ground,  list,  and shorter Qtrs,  games,  etc... more geared to the Internet/TV.  Moving further into the soccer/basketball space.

I'm concerned  'they',  are going to butcher the game.?   If they do,  it won't last in Australia.  But possibly will overseas.

Not one to quote myself even if I could find my post but I did predict that the price of peace between the NRL and Channel 9 would be the resignation of the NRL CEO and sure enough....he's gone

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2020/apr/20/nrl-ceo-todd-greenberg-quits-amid-rugby-league-coronavirus-crisis

On 4/17/2020 at 9:55 AM, loges said:

Surely you realise that any official announcement from the AFL will only be made after consultation with the relevant state health authorities.. Anything else is just conjecture.

Surely you realise we are in a state of emergency until 11th May so it is not possible they get the green light in april.

might as well just pick any random date for round 2.  it means little

2 hours ago, DubDee said:

Surely you realise we are in a state of emergency until 11th May so it is not possible they get the green light in april.

might as well just pick any random date for round 2.  it means little

So you don't know what conjecture means?

15 minutes ago, loges said:

So you don't know what conjecture means?

Oh,  I suppose so.?

 

2 hours ago, Demonland said:

 

 

Maybe North could throw Carlton a lifeline and take them over, sorry I meant merge.

Edited April 20, 20205 yr by rjay

40 minutes ago, rjay said:

 

Maybe North could throw Carlton a lifeline and take them over, sorry I meant merge.

Hmmn;   Northern Blues.?

13 hours ago, Demonland said:

 

Surely if players are tested, the latest tests give results in an hour, they can be maintained in a clean environment for that hour before engaging in close contact.

Associated staff etc would also be tested.

problems with water bottles and items which may be unclean would then be the only problem.

Once we have positive test results at low levels the health system can handle their management. Anyone with negative result can be part of a crowd. Anyone testing positive and mingling with crowd is subject to very heavy fine including murder charge if someone dies due to being infected..

 

1 hour ago, Demonland said:

 

does it really matter where they play given no crowds. If they want to save money they could use ovals that are less expensive to maintain. The only issue I see is night lighting but if you want to be drastic you can play the game during the day and embargo the result until broadcast that night.

This is going to be a strange season for sure.

Melbourne Cup without crowds and no international horses ??

PS.. a prefect season for the likes of Essendon and Collingwood to visit Kardinia Park

Edited April 21, 20205 yr by Diamond_Jim

 

 

9 hours ago, Demonland said:

 

Surely there will be no international cricket this summer so what would keep them off? Big bash and Sheffield shield? How many days would that impact over the summer?

I still think it's narrow-minded of the AFL to want to push ahead at all costs but I get why they're doing it. I wonder what the impact will be on 2021 if games are played until Nov/Dec - 2021 preseason will be drastically altered