TRAINING: Friday 13th December 2019

[dieter 3,325]

25 minutes ago, Satyriconhome said:

Really good @Baghdad Bob , I have always thought of you as irregular

I have been told about the 'soreness' as well

Would love to spend a morning at Goschs banging bodies and running an average of 11km each session, which is what Burgess has got them doing

 

The Lord said to Peter, I will make you a fisher of men. He said to Satyriconhome, I will make you a banger of bodies who run an average of `11 km each session.

[whatwhat say what 23,616]

these are great reports and, for the most part, great banter too

keep em coming demonlanders!

[Demonstone 23,425]

1 hour ago, dieter said:

The Lord said to Peter, I will make you a fisher of men.

He also told MFC to come forth, but they came fifth and missed the double chance.

[Ugottobekidding 1,244]

Weid has started later due to surgery.... will watch how he progresses. He will play a role this year and confidence will come.

[TRIGON 4,796]

19 hours ago, fr_ap said:

Absolutely agree with you Saty - apologies to you and the poster if I implied otherwise. I was sincere in my comment that I must have been looking elsewhere when he kicked well. I'm very bullish on him and if you check his welcome thread was ecstatic to get him as late as we did.

No offence was taken on my part @fr_ap.

[monoccular 17,697]

On 12/13/2019 at 9:50 PM, Satyriconhome said:

I think Weid's issue is the same as Trac's, it's in the head, he has the size and the talent, but seems to be mentally unsure

Think the coaches must drive themselves mad trying to convince both how good they could be

 

Role for sports psychologists?

[Wrecker45 3,378]

On 12/13/2019 at 9:50 PM, Satyriconhome said:

I think Weid's issue is the same as Trac's, it's in the head, he has the size and the talent, but seems to be mentally unsure

Think the coaches must drive themselves mad trying to convince both how good they could be

 

Trac does't have much of an issue. He's coming into his prime and his stats are showing he is going  (tracing) well. If anything his ball drop from set shots is ridiculously high.

Weid for me doesn't quite get in the right position or doesn't hold the mark when he does. Most posters on here think it is a strength thing. I think it is ability. We'll find out this year. I hope I am wrong.

 

[Josh 1,420]

3 hours ago, Wrecker45 said:

Trac does't have much of an issue. He's coming into his prime and his stats are showing he is going  (tracing) well. If anything his ball drop from set shots is ridiculously high.

Weid for me doesn't quite get in the right position or doesn't hold the mark when he does. Most posters on here think it is a strength thing. I think it is ability. We'll find out this year. I hope I am wrong.

 

[dpositive 1,838]

23 hours ago, Baghdad Bob said:

Great report fr_ap, must have taken a while to type!

I've been an irregular track watcher in previous years but for one reason or another I've got down more often this year and it's been interesting to see the continuity of training over time.

I think people who read the reports need to understand that it's virtually impossible to see even 20% of what's going on when it's not match simulation or stratch matches as the players are usually broken up into 3 or more different groups who move to different areas of the ground and you just can't watch everything.  So if, for example, you see Rivers in a medium intensity drill in front of you and he hits the target regularly with his kicking you'll have a totally different impression than if you see him in his first scratch match under pressure.  Neither report will be wrong.

My view is fr_ap's report is taken from a different aspect to mine.  I watched this scratch match (for want of a better description) yesterday through the lens of the first of the season.  The skills were scratchy and I nearly said in my report that if we played like that in the first game we'd get thrashed.  But I didn't because I think if you watched any team have their first scratch match it would be very much the same.  There are many reasons for this.  Firstly it's December and the first time they've really gone hard.  Secondly the cumulative effect of weeks of really hard training has an effect, especially during the second stint of the practice.  And thirdly every player knows what the other is going to do because they know the game plan and where people should be.

As Saty has said in another thread last week was a really hard week, designed to be the most exhaustive of the PS to date.  This has an impact.  I remember one player saying to me some years ago they just wanted PS to end because he was sick of being sore.  As we watch players running round it's hard to remember how tired they are, we don't know what little niggles they've got or if they're practicing something rather than doing what they'd normally do.  These things are particularly relevent for younger players and we still have a pretty young list.

I watch training for attributes, cameos or the such to see what players can do (or can't).  My description of Jackson's ground ball gather is a good example.  I don't really care if he misses a kick or drops a mark but when I see he is capable of taking a contested ground ball at full tilt and dish it of with his left hand I'm impressed.  Not many can do that.  When I see Rivers kick in drills and consistently hit targets I'm impressed.  He can do it.  When I see Pickett dodging and weaving in the handball drills I'm impressed because few if any are doing it as well as him.  Or when I see someone like Dunkley doing well on Langdon when I really haven't noticed Dunkley much during other sessions I take notice.  And that's the sort of thing I report.

Sorry to bore you but I think it's important to understand where people are coming from when they report and to understand that often while the reports will be of the same players it will often be reporting different things. While the reports might seem contradictory they are probably not.  It's why having different people reporting is so good as it gives a much more rounded picture for those that aren't there.

And then of course there's the different reporters prejudices but lets not go there.........

Yes a great report again BB and having experienced it with you and others can totally agree. I recommend everyone try and see one session and it will heighten your understanding and appreciation of the reporting we have. 

We all have prejudices so it's best to accept the report and try not to challenge and fuel them.

Im thankful there are a few who are regulars as you can add a greater historic perspective. I'm hoping to get down more often and will include a visit to training a school a priority.

i was thankful to see the complexity of training methods and the intensity that seemed to be building even during the one session I saw. Would appreciate your comments on that and any consequent improvement to  those skills and abilities you mention becoming instinctive and reliable not just in the first drill but throughout and at the end of the session,like kicking goals when exhausted and under pressure.

i also think we need to maybe accept that there will be injuries from training and I hope we can see the management of that through the rehab group. I love the fact that so many can identify action and progress within that group rather than the standard 4-6 of official reports.

Thanks all and keep up the good work. Looking forward to our journey next year.

[Neil Crompton 5,779]

A question for the track watchers. Based solely on training form to date, if we had one spot on the bench for round 1, and it was for a smaller utility player that could play forward or have a run through the middle, which of the following players would you choose:

Lockhart

Bedford,

Sparrow,

Dunkley

Baker

Chandler,

Jordan,

ANB?

[Sir Why You Little 37,341]

On 12/13/2019 at 10:05 PM, fr_ap said:

Agree with that. Can almost see it at etched on his face!

If that’s the case, he aint going to make it

2020 will be the decider

[monoccular 17,697]

On 12/13/2019 at 3:08 PM, fr_ap said:

........

Jones - Rehab, looked grumpy. A lovely left foot kick, was teaching Bradtke to drop the ball lower. Seemed fine and probably not far off.

.........

Thanks so much for the great report.

One question hit me -

Did / could / should he (Jones) be doing the same with Tracc?

Edited December 15, 2019 by monoccular

[fr_ap 2,547]

22 hours ago, Neil Crompton said:

A question for the track watchers. Based solely on training form to date, if we had one spot on the bench for round 1, and it was for a smaller utility player that could play forward or have a run through the middle, which of the following players would you choose:

Lockhart

Bedford,

Sparrow,

Dunkley

Baker

Chandler,

Jordan,

ANB?

While I think the 'right' answer based on experience is ANB, On my limited viewing it would be Lockhart. Training with the backs, can go forward and can also play mid as shown at Casey, and was busy in the match sim. Many of the others aren't as prominent at this early stage and don't play multiple positions.