8 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

Had a poor September, no doubt. Doesn't define him as a player though.

September is the business end of the Season. So it does define a large part in my view

2 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

No. I am talking about Tomlinson 

Not injured players 

 

What was Sidebottom excuse last year?

13 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

Had a poor September, no doubt. Doesn't define him as a player though.

Right, but the posters who kept bringing up his prelim game a year or so back have a legitimate point yeh?

Tomlinson has been at GWS since their inception and has never been more than a bit player.

The fact that he was dropped in a final this year as a mature player says far more about how he valued. It's about his body of work.

I expect he'll help with our depth and provide competition for spots but as far as 'value' to our best 22 goes, I don't see much.

Edited September 30, 20195 yr by stevethemanjordan

2 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

September is the business end of the Season. So it does define a large part in my view

Sure, but I don't make my judgments on a couple of games.

Last year he had 21 disposals (15 kicks) and 7 marks in an elimination final.

The year before he had 26 disposals, 7 marks and 5 tackles in a prelim against the eventual premiers.

Worth looking deeper sometimes.

3 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

What was Sidebottom excuse last year?

What do you think of Tomlinson?

I am not interested in debating Sidebottom 

2 minutes ago, stevethemanjordan said:

Right, but the posters who kept bringing up his prelim game a year or so back have a legitimate point yeh?

Tomlinson has been at GWS since their inception and has never been more than a bit player.

The fact that he was dropped in a final this year as a mature player says far more about how he valued. It's about his body of work.

I expect he'll help with our depth and provide competition for spots but as far as 'value' to our best 22 goes, I don't see much.

Fair enough, we're all going to see things differently. You can take your view from the 1 game he was dropped, I'm taking mine from the 80+ where he wasn't.

Don't think anyone has said they're expecting a superstar.

Just now, Lord Nev said:

Sure, but I don't make my judgments on a couple of games.

Last year he had 21 disposals (15 kicks) and 7 marks in an elimination final.

The year before he had 26 disposals, 7 marks and 5 tackles in a prelim against the eventual premiers.

Worth looking deeper sometimes.

This year he played much deeper Finals than just an Elimination Final. 

I watched closely, that is why I am wondering what he is going to bring to the MFC to IMPROVE our chances...

5 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

What was Sidebottom excuse last year?

 

1 minute ago, Sir Why You Little said:

What do you think of Tomlinson?

I am not interested in debating Sidebottom 

See what happens when you try and talk footy DD and bring up relevant points. The toys get thrown out of the kot

Just now, Pennant St Dee said:

 

See what happens when you try and talk footy DD and bring up relevant points. The toys get thrown out of the kot

It’s Cot actually 

5 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

This year he played much deeper Finals than just an Elimination Final. 

I watched closely, that is why I am wondering what he is going to bring to the MFC to IMPROVE our chances...

Did you even read my post mate? Read it again.

If I was a site admin things would look a bit different around here. As an example, in regard to Tomlinson I would make the following statement:

I hereby decree that any poster who is critical of recruiting Tomlinson (and costing us only salary cap space and a spot on the list I might add - an important consideration given the gws priority picks) is banned from at any point thereafter complaining about how bad the depth is at the MFC. 

The punishment for breaching this rule will be having to change your avatar to a picture of Mark Neeld. 

5 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

Did you even read my post mate? Read it again.

Yes I did read it. And I also just watched the 2019 Finals series 

how isTomlinson going to IMPROVE our list?

We need far more than just depth...

5 minutes ago, binman said:

If I was a site admin things would look a bit different around here. As an example, in regard to Tomlinson I would make the following statement:

I hereby decree that any poster who is critical of recruiting Tomlinson (and costing us only salary cap space and a spot on the list I might add - an important consideration given the gws priority picks) is banned from at any point thereafter complaining about how bad the depth is at the MFC. 

The punishment for breaching this rule will be having to change your avatar to a picture of Mark Neeld. 

Please expand.  I'm not sure your statement proposal makes sense?

Oh I forget - this is demonland

1 minute ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Yes I did read it. And I also just watched the 2019 Finals series 

how isTomlinson going to IMPROVE our list?

We need far more than just depth...

He gives us a winger, a swingman and a backup ruck, which if you paid attention this year is sorely lacking.

Doesn't cost us a pick or a player. Important given our list spots vs draft picks situation.

Is a noted professional and great trainer.

Improves our depth, which if you paid attention this year is sorely lacking.

Has barely missed a game for years through injury, which if you paid attention this year is very important.

I'm not sure what else you want from a free agent willing to go to the 17th placed team?

You seem to demand improvement but not really understand how that actually looks.

 

25 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

Fair enough, we're all going to see things differently. You can take your view from the 1 game he was dropped, I'm taking mine from the 80+ where he wasn't.

Don't think anyone has said they're expecting a superstar.

"Body-of-work".

Let's say it together. Ready?

"Bodyyyy Offff Worrkkkkk".

1 minute ago, stevethemanjordan said:

"Body-of-work".

Let's say it together. Ready?

"Bodyyyy Offff Worrkkkkk".

 

31 minutes ago, stevethemanjordan said:

The fact that he was dropped in a final this year as a mature player says far more about how he valued. It's about his body of work.

1 game  = "body of work" in your books. That's fine. Tells me enough about how much to value your opinion on this.

 

45 minutes ago, stevethemanjordan said:

Right, but the posters who kept bringing up his prelim game a year or so back have a legitimate point yeh?

Tomlinson has been at GWS since their inception and has never been more than a bit player.

The fact that he was dropped in a final this year as a mature player says far more about how he valued. It's about his body of work.

I expect he'll help with our depth and provide competition for spots but as far as 'value' to our best 22 goes, I don't see much.

 

12 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

 

1 game  = "body of work" in your books. That's fine. Tells me enough about how much to value your opinion on this.

 

Getting dropped for a clutch final having played over 100 league games says a lot about ones body-of-work, how they've developed over that period and where they currently sit in the pecking order on a clubs list. He had two howlers after that.

His body of work is a far more accurate assessment of his value compared to a single final a year ago where he played very well.

The outlier is that final. He has had far many more games of average football than great football.

If you still don't understand, I don't mind. Someone else can explain it to you.

3 minutes ago, stevethemanjordan said:

Getting dropped for a clutch final having played over 100 league games says a lot about ones body-of-work

His body of work is a far more accurate assessment of his value compared to a single final a year ago where he played very well.

STMJ: 'Judge him on one game'

Also STMJ: 'Don't judge him on one game'

Ok then.

He's exactly the kind of player we don't need.

56 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

 

1 game  = "body of work" in your books. That's fine. Tells me enough about how much to value your opinion on this.

 

 

 

Edited September 30, 20195 yr by binman
not so sure you have

1 hour ago, Clint Bizkit said:

He's exactly the kind of player we don't need.

Without knowing what the rationale for recruiting Tomlinson is I suspect that he is a solid citizen who can release other players to play in other positions.

May playing marking Wing/forward.

I suspect that we will be developing a number of forwards from within which should include OMac and Petty

 

21 hours ago, Garbo said:

So who do you suggest going after instead as doing nothing is going backwards, he will be a best 22 won’t cost picks and would command no more than a modest contract. If it’s a matter of him or frost I’d take him, he offers more utility round the ground and if our backline is fit frost wouldn’t be in the 22 imo as it is rare you need a permanent 3rd tall in the backline these days. A best 22 over a backup is the no brainer on that case

anyone with pace & composure

3 hours ago, Lord Nev said:

Fair enough, we're all going to see things differently. You can take your view from the 1 game he was dropped, I'm taking mine from the 80+ where he wasn't.

Don't think anyone has said they're expecting a superstar.

It will aslo maybe puta rocket up a couple players, get better or you wont get agame, ANB, Hannan these types, pressure will be on.

13 minutes ago, Demon3 said:

It will aslo maybe puta rocket up a couple players, get better or you wont get agame, ANB, Hannan these types, pressure will be on.

Yes spot on, they all need to lift next year.

4 hours ago, Pennant St Dee said:

 

See what happens when you try and talk footy DD and bring up relevant points. The toys get thrown out of the kot

P St D; is this an example of the Mathias Cormann effect?