Crowd incident - Hawks Dees

[DubDee 26,117]

2 hours ago, DV8 said:

I agree as well, with this, and the responsibility,  as in with Pubs,  rests with the Licensee.?  or in this case the AFL... surely.?

Would certainly help if there was some security. To clarify: security that anticipate and stop incidents rather than just watch

[DV8 2,271]

10 minutes ago, DubDee said:

Would certainly help if there was some security. To clarify: security that anticipate and stop incidents rather than just watch

Most security [censored] themselves.  and stand off.  unless in big numbers.

[DubDee 26,117]

2 hours ago, Pennant St Dee said:

Used to drink in Summerhill at "The Hill" when I had Tech at Mountjoy Square or if I managed to get in early enough heading to Croke Park

Small world mate!

[Emerald 1,744]

I stopped going to Hawks games a couple of years ago because of their supporters in the standing room up the Punt Rd end. I tend to go to Casey games these days as I can find a quiet place around Casey Fields to watch the game free of this kind of [censored] that goes on at footy games. 

As a non drinker, I find the drunken aggression at the football literally insane that people make themselves and others so miserable over a game.

[dworship 3,342]

2 hours ago, bing181 said:

Doesn't get much lower than this:

"Ploegmakers, who has a learning disability, told 7NEWS the 34-year-old offender called him a "[censored] and a [censored]"."

Yes he did but we don't know if that's true. What we do know is his brother can be heard saying to the Dees supporter "Stop, stop he's disabled". If you take a look at the 7News clip and compare it with the clips of the "victim" in his normal behavior, something doesn't quite gell. Don't get me wrong I'm in no way condoning the actions of the Dees supporter however I think you are behaving a bit like the Media ie shoot first and ask questions later. I don't know if you bothered reading all the previous posts but I doubt it. If you had you may have picked up a hint or two from other posters about previous form on the part of the "victim". If you want to do some further checking a few of the D supporter facebook pages have some instructive comments from a number of women and families who have had to move away from where the "victim" sits due to the aggressive and obscene language used. 

[Adam The God 30,403]

On 5/5/2019 at 6:34 PM, titan_uranus said:

Disgraceful attitude.

Men in this country think punching is OK.

If the Melbourne supporter couldn't deal with someone (whether disabled or not) knocking his beer out of his hand without resorting to violence, he's an embodiment of a cultural problem we have. 

If your response is "who cares", you're not helping.

I completely agree mate BUT having just watched the video for the first time, does he actually punch him? It seems to me like he throws him / pushes him to the side. 

Unacceptable to lay your hands on another person, however, I'd also say it's unacceptable to throw beer on someone.

Yes, different levels of unacceptability but worth noting.

Having said all that, it's a banable offence IMO, because you don't touch another person at the football. And it's more than just a push and shove.

[At Least I Saw a Flag 5,273]

2 hours ago, Dame Gaga said:

Yes, as I said before I think it is a disgrace. Hawks TV should be looked at by the AFL over this sort of thing. I gained the impression the interviewer was laughing AT Benny, not with him. He found it all highly amusing. Amusing it certainly was NOT.

Totally agree. 

That [censored] Newman did it for years on that ridiculous Street Talk segment. A bully of the highest order.

[bing181 9,328]

54 minutes ago, dworship said:

I don't know if you bothered reading all the previous posts but I doubt it

Demonland. So many assumptions.

[Dame Gaga 2,453]

1 hour ago, DubDee said:

Would certainly help if there was some security. To clarify: security that anticipate and stop incidents rather than just watch

Unfortunately, as I have said elsewhere on here, the security guards seem to disappear later in the game. I assume they go down to the ground to protect the umpires and players, coaches. The problem is, late in the game or after the game is where the most trouble may start, because everyone is full of drink by then. This is an area where cost cutting should not apply. More security should be available to ensure a visible presence to deter bad behaviour in the first place.

[bing181 9,328]

If there's anyone out there about to write up a paper on victim-blaming, plenty of source material in this thread.

[dworship 3,342]

9 minutes ago, bing181 said:

Demonland. So many assumptions.

You where better off to stay silent, if you have read all the previous posts and watched the clips then how about a comment on the "victims" previous behavior? Or is your outrage only reserved for 7news reports? I will assume you wont reply.

[Fork 'em 6,990]

Right or wrong, (not that I'm a drinker) but if I had my drink aggressively slapped out've my hand and over me I'd probably lose my composure for a couple seconds like Baxter Jonesy.
There wouldn't be much thinking going on during that time.
For every action, there is a reaction.
So let he who is without sin cast the 1st stone.

And I'd like to see some proof that he was verbally abused like he said he was.
Too easy to just say he was called a couple of poor names.
And the footage of his interview on Dawk TV is damning for his own behaviour towards opposition supporters.

 

Edited May 6, 2019 by Fork 'em

[DV8 2,271]

28 minutes ago, bing181 said:

If there's anyone out there about to write up a paper on victim-blaming, plenty of source material in this thread.

exactly who was/is the victim,  'bing' ?

[Fork 'em 6,990]

34 minutes ago, bing181 said:

If there's anyone out there about to write up a paper on victim-blaming, plenty of source material in this thread.

And another paper  on virtue signalling.

[Deemented Are Go! 3,684]

10 hours ago, DV8 said:

 

 

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I found it interesting that not one of the footy shows I watched (360, otc, classified) touched this story tonight. Would’ve thought it’d be first on the agenda.

Would this be for legal reasons given pending police investigation or the media have pulled the reigns on the story because of the other contexts around it, I wonder? 

 

Edited May 6, 2019 by Deemented Are Go!
Accidentally quoted DV8, apologies delirious after day in overseas transit with 2 x 4 year olds

[Fork 'em 6,990]

10 hours ago, sisso said:

Dunno how people get themselves into these fights, 25 years of going to the footy and I've never had the urge to get verbal or physical with an oppo supporter....even though I've certainly seen my share of d-heads!

Funnily enough, It isn't often I feel the urge to get verbal with opposition supporters either.
I have however told a few of own to pull their heads in.
When the game goes bad as they often have over the years, some of our supporters are a disgrace how quickly they turn and abuse our own players.
I find their behaviour embarrassing.
I'm far more venomous when I'm in the privacy of my own home watching on TV.
At the game I'm inclined to quietly just stew.

Edited May 6, 2019 by Fork 'em

[Pates 9,660]

Sounds like this guy is a serial pest, I have read elsewhere that he was belligerent towards two female saints fans the other week. That said the Melbourne guy needs to know when to walk away or simply point to the scoreboard. I seriously doubt the Hawks fan is innocent in this whole scenario and he should be put on notice as well but the Dees fan has embarrassed himself and unfortunately the club as well. 

Minimum year long ban from the footy and cancelling his membership (if he has one) would be the way I’d go. 

[bing181 9,328]

4 hours ago, Fork 'em said:

And another paper  on virtue signalling.

Ah Demonland, don't ever change.

[leave it to deever 17,517]

On 5/6/2019 at 5:43 PM, TRIGON said:

All the more reason not to knock a beer out of somebody’s hand. 

Yes, Baldy from Baxter will be held accountable for his actions. These 2 f’wits from Hawk TV should be banned too; courting trouble and then playing the victim card when it comes their way. Who needs them?

tx Grandpa Simpson.

[jnrmac 20,171]

On 5/6/2019 at 11:40 PM, bing181 said:

If there's anyone out there about to write up a paper on victim-blaming, plenty of source material in this thread.

Which victim?