3 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

Dr I fear what you prescribe will not be palatable medicine for some ?

Talking Heads had a album once , in much of this vein ??

Speaking In Tongues? Fear of Music?

Slightly different question: Is Hogan in our top 5 most important players?

Honest question and I want to see what people think. I am not trying to bait anyone. 

9 minutes ago, Moonshadow said:

Speaking In Tongues? Fear of Music?

Stop Making Sense  ???

27 minutes ago, Dr.D said:

This thread proves that many dees fans can't stand Hogans lack of defensive pressure and intensity. I'd throw in goal kicking too. but that's a story for another day. As supporters we all want us to win, so there is no agenda for not liking Hogan. So its purely his output on the field that isn't good enough in many supporters' eyes. And that's fact.

Wouldn't the coach have dropped him to the VFL like Gartlett if he was as poor as you're saying?

3 minutes ago, sisso said:

Wouldn't the coach have dropped him to the VFL like Gartlett if he was as poor as you're saying?

Not everyone gets dropped

14 minutes ago, layzie said:

Slightly different question: Is Hogan in our top 5 most important players?

Honest question and I want to see what people think. I am not trying to bait anyone. 

If the question is for the next 5 years then my list is Gawn, Oliver, Viney, Lever, and Hogan.  They are what clubs build a list around (if we can keep them all fit and on the park).  But the club imo has buolt a list that can still be really, really good if one or more of the above players are injured, as has been the case for 4 of them for large parts of 2017 and 2018

 

On 8/23/2018 at 6:09 PM, beelzebub said:

This is a question of curiosity. Why are so many prepared to put the player...before the club ??

Thats not to disrespect or dismiss the worth of anyone...but clubs win games/win premierships..  So says the great North Smith..and he knew a thing or two.  Maybe we listen to his words a bit more and the curse might lift ??

Im not the only one here suggesting a balanced reappraisal of his worth/position  to Melb is warranted.

These are professional footballers who whilst playing for a jumper are actually incredibly well remunerated.

He was brought in as the classic messiah /silver bullet type draft.  Getting him will fix everything.  He's but one player. At times very good, at others woeful in attitude. There may well be reasons for that but just like fitness..you cross that line  you better be focused....or go sort life out. Thats not said in nastiness...just maybe what some need to do..Other players have.

 He struggles against better sides.. Arguably isnt helped by some coaching/selection  but what is..is. If he get nullified in games where his real footy ability would be real handy..what value that ??

Im not opposed to playing him down back @binman will recall we discussed this exact notion in other thread  only to be howled down by those ...you know...know it alls!!

I dont think he's ideal as a mid either...smart yes...slow to react at times.. that burns play. Hes a very talented footballer...i just dont know what his position is now at Melbourne.  Too many better coaches have figured him out.  Ours needs to too  and quickly .

Just pure garbage sorry.

25 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

Not everyone gets dropped

only players who aren't performing up to the coach's standard

4 minutes ago, sisso said:

only players who aren't performing up to the coach's standard

You think Jones...Viney would get dropped ? 

32 minutes ago, Watson11 said:

If the question is for the next 5 years then my list is Gawn, Oliver, Viney, Lever, and Hogan.  They are what clubs build a list around (if we can keep them all fit and on the park).  But the club imo has buolt a list that can still be really, really good if one or more of the above players are injured, as has been the case for 4 of them for large parts of 2017 and 2018

 

That's a very fair assessment. I'd possibly have T-Mac in but that's subjective.

33 minutes ago, layzie said:

That's a very fair assessment. I'd possibly have T-Mac in but that's subjective.

Tmac would also be fair.  I think Hogan has more upside.  He reminds me of Jack Riewoldt at the same age in attitude but a better athlete.

44 minutes ago, layzie said:

That's a very fair assessment. I'd possibly have T-Mac in but that's subjective.

me too

gawn, oliver, t mac, lever and hogan

1 hour ago, beelzebub said:

You think Jones...Viney would get dropped ? 

Do you think they'd ever play badly enough for long enough to get dropped?

1 minute ago, sisso said:

Do you think they'd ever play badly enough for long enough to get dropped?

Or counter:

Not be truly fit...but come straight in ? Because that happens.

I get angry just seeing this thread title on this forum, should be on big footy. I'd rather trade some of the posters. Speculation could be postulated in a much more respectful fashion-some of it reads like the criticism of Richo back in the day at Richmond.

1 minute ago, DaisyDeeciple said:

I get angry just seeing this thread title on this forum, should be on big footy. I'd rather trade some of the posters. Speculation could be postulated in a much more respectful fashion-some of it reads like the criticism of Richo back in the day at Richmond.

Please provide a pro forma

Love to see it. It's called discussion. 

4 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

Please provide a pro forma

Love to see it. It's called discussion. 

Yep we're having a discussion, I am also allowed to take offense at some discussions, and I just find 'Trade Hogan' disloyal, he's not BHP shares, I am not silly enough to think everyone will agree with me, I am allowed to post my 2 cents though, as yiou say, it's a discussion .

I’m glad the people who have their emotions running wild at the very sight of this thread aren’t running the FD.

7 minutes ago, layzie said:

I’m glad the people who have their emotions running wild at the very sight of this thread aren’t running the FD.

I fully agree. Running wild is a bit strong though, irritated would be closer to the mark.

9 minutes ago, DaisyDeeciple said:

I fully agree. Running wild is a bit strong though, irritated would be closer to the mark.

Fair enough, changed to irritated. 

The discussion is fine - this is a football forum - a discussion over the merits of trading someone is par for the course.

What is also par for that course, is the judgement of posters and the 'discussions' they seemingly can't stop faffing on about - so continue with the stumbling around in the dark looking for your proverbial pants.

Par for the course... unwarranted adjudication.. play through

Another thing to think about is the seriousness of Jessie's injury....his foot. 

48 minutes ago, djr said:

Another thing to think about is the seriousness of Jessie's injury....his foot. 

Thankyou ... It's relevant .

3 hours ago, Watson11 said:

Tmac would also be fair.  I think Hogan has more upside.  He reminds me of Jack Riewoldt at the same age in attitude but a better athlete.

Jack Reiwold has always been able to kick the ball 30 metres, without the stutterrrrrrrr.a bit to to left a bit to the right.