Farewell Jesse Hogan

[Sydee 4,529]

6 minutes ago, Frustrated Demon said:

I’m happy with a 1st rounder and a player

What ???? just anyone - you do know that most of them aren't much chop don't you 

[chook fowler 19,533]

Just now, drysdale demon said:

Sounds like you need one

 

Just now, drysdale demon said:

Sounds like you need one

Well his prevarication is giving me a pain in the arse - it’s only fair that he gets one.

[DemonLad5 1,642]

We should definitely be trying to secure a mid-teens pick as well as 5.

[Matsuo Basho 1,053]

24 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

I would be surprised and that is the worst case scenario. 

An option (I'm being a bit creative): 

• pick 5 2018
• a swap of 2019 first round picks.  Hopefully, in 2019 that converts to us receiving pick 5/6/7 and give up pick 17/18.  ie a significant 2019 first round upgrade for us.

To me that is a good compromise between Freo's 2019 1st round pick or a second round pick.

I advocated this same deal a few days ago and reckon it sits about right. 

We get pick 5 and an upgraded first rounder (likely To be a pick between 5 - 10) in 2019.

Freo get Hogan and stay in the first round of 2019, albeit at a later pick (14+).

It’s a deal which puts the onus on Freo to back themselves to rise up the ladder with Hogan. 

I’d be happy with this trade.

Edited October 10, 2018 by EnterTheDragon

[olisik 4,060]

Typical Mahoney, always flinching first. I hope this trade no longer happens as at the rate it’s going it will be a 3rd rounder for Hogan.

[Axis of Bob 11,841]

Pick 5 by itself would have Freo paying more than we did for Lever. Anything on top is just making the difference greater 

[Demon Disciple 12,273]

53 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

Better news from Clark and Warner.

Much needed comebacks to re-wright the sinking ship that is the Australian Test team!

[Sydee 4,529]

2 minutes ago, Axis of Bob said:

Pick 5 by itself would have Freo paying more than we did for Lever. Anything on top is just making the difference greater 

How does that work - didn't we hand them our first round pick (10) plus our first round this year 

last time I checked that is two first rounds picks - what am I missing ??  

[Lucifers Hero 40,359]

10 minutes ago, EnterTheDragon said:

I advocated this same deal a few days ago and reckon it sits about right. 

We get pick 5 and an upgraded first rounder (likely To be a pick between 5 - 10) in 2019.

Freo get Hogan and stay in the first round of 2919, albeit a late pick (14+).

It’s a deal which puts the onus on Freo to back themselves to rise up the ladder with Hogan. 

I’d be happy with this trade.

Yes, I have also been advocating for quite a while that #5 and a mid first round pick to get the job done.  But I think that is a little different to what I proposed above, albeit the results have similarities.  

My suggestion of a swap of 2019 first round picks leaves Freo with something substantial (our 2019 1st pick) rather than just coughing up #5 and a mid 1st round. 

Edited October 10, 2018 by Lucifer's Hero

[DemonLad5 1,642]

1 minute ago, Sydee said:

How does that work - didn't we hand them our first round pick (10) plus our first round this year 

last time I checked that is two first rounds picks - what am I missing ??  

I think he is referring to value of points. 

[djr 1,597]

8 minutes ago, EnterTheDragon said:

I advocated this same deal a few days ago and reckon it sits about right. 

We get pick 5 and an upgraded first rounder (likely To be a pick between 5 - 10) in 2019.

Freo get Hogan and stay in the first round of 2919, albeit a late pick (14+).

It’s a deal which puts the onus on Freo to back themselves to rise up the ladder with Hogan. 

I’d be happy with this trade.

Then what do we give up for May and KK? Love to keep pick 5 or do we need to convert that pick 5 for 2 teen picks.

[Demon Disciple 12,273]

3 minutes ago, DemonLad5 said:

I think he is referring to value of points. 

points only come into it if matching academy/fs bids.

[Axis of Bob 11,841]

3 minutes ago, Sydee said:

How does that work - didn't we hand them our first round pick (10) plus our first round this year 

last time I checked that is two first rounds picks - what am I missing ??  

Because that wasn't the full deal, only part of it. There were other picks moved about plus pick 5 is a much better pick than pick 10 and pick 16.

Overall it was the equivalent of about pick 7.

[Sydee 4,529]

2 minutes ago, DemonLad5 said:

I think he is referring to value of points. 

AFC might have been working on the premise that MFC finish in bottom 5 or 6 teams this year - they wouldn't have been the only ones 

On that basis they would receive last year (10) , this year (1 to say 6) how does that stack up with 5 on a points basis - I honestly don't know but I know which option I'd prefer 

[Lucifers Hero 40,359]

2 minutes ago, djr said:

Then what do we give up for May and KK? Love to keep pick 5 or do we need to convert that pick 5 for 2 teen picks.

The SA club swill be knocking Mahoney's door down to get it.  Crows have picks 8, 13, 16 and 20.  I reckon they would give up 8 with 13 or 16. 

We give 8 to GCS for May.  Deal done!!  Net result we keep 13 or 16 and pocket Freo's 1st round 2019 pick!!  Happy days!!

Edited October 10, 2018 by Lucifer's Hero

[Matsuo Basho 1,053]

2 minutes ago, djr said:

Then what do we give up for May and KK? Love to keep pick 5 or do we need to convert that pick 5 for 2 teen picks.

Pick 5 will go out immediately for May. 

[doc roet 1,289]

22 minutes ago, chook fowler said:

I hope his medical included a colonoscopy - without sedation.

I think the bowel prep would do the trick. Might get some of the siht off his liver.

[Sydee 4,529]

2 minutes ago, EnterTheDragon said:

Pick 5 will go out immediately for May. 

So May is more valuable than Hogan ? Personally I don't think so 

[djr 1,597]

4 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

The SA club swill be knocking Mahoney's door down to get it.  Crows have picks 8, 13, 16 and 20.  I reckon they would give up 8 with 13 or 16. 

We give 8 to GCS for May.  Deal done!!  Net result we keep 13 or 16 and pocket Freo's 1st round 2019 pick!!  Happy days!!

Yes that gives them a chance of getting Rankine. I'd push for pick 8 and a 3rd rounder for May and KK

[Axis of Bob 11,841]

11 minutes ago, Demon Disciple said:

points only come into it if matching academy/fs bids.

The points are used for bidding on academy/FS players but it comes from an academic study looking at the relative worth of draft picks.

It seems to be pretty close, of you think about how much you'd pay to do pick swaps. For example, 10 and 16 together are about as valuable pick 3 or 2 (but we got other assets from Adelaide, so it went down to about 7).

If you wanted pick 1 you'd probably trade at least pick 5 and 12 for it to be fair.

If we got 5 and a pick better than 13 then it's basically worth pick 1 in terms of its historical value to the club, which makes sense for Hogan.

The points value is a pretty good indicator of player/pick value which is why they use it when they can.

Edited October 10, 2018 by Axis of Bob

[dieter 3,325]

Personally, I believe May's girth is evidence he's a spud muncher, to say the very least.

[Matsuo Basho 1,053]

9 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

The SA club swill be knocking Mahoney's door down to get it.  Crows have picks 8, 13, 16 and 20.  I reckon they would give up 8 with 13 or 16. 

We give 8 to GCS for May.  Deal done!!  Net result we keep 13 or 16 and pocket Freo's 1st round 2019 pick!!  Happy days!!

SA boys Lukosius and Rankine set to go top 3. Pick 5 won’t get them to the Adelaide clubs.

[brendan 3,437]

Freo: Get hogan and our 1st round next year

dees: get pick 5 and freo 1st round next year

we then trade freos 1st rounder next year for May and KK (this could potentially be pick 1-6) 

we take pick 5 to the draft and hope rankine is available 

[DemonLad5 1,642]

Just now, EnterTheDragon said:

SA boys Lukosius and Rankine set to go top 3. Pick 5 won’t get them to the Adelaide clubs.

Rozee still a very good player in the 2-8 range

[Matsuo Basho 1,053]

8 minutes ago, Sydee said:

So May is more valuable than Hogan ? Personally I don't think so 

*double facepalm*

Not even going to bother correcting you.