If Sloane came to us TeX would blow his poffa value

No, thanks. Sloane doesn't excite me. 

 

Bernie you beautiful boy

Bernie doing us a great service..

Poffa valve.... ha!

Bernie trying to squeeze out another year +1 from us if he can get Sloane over. Haha good on him! 

35 minutes ago, A F said:

No, thanks. Sloane doesn't excite me. 

 

I do hope you jest.

I'll gladly give him another playing contract if he can prove his worth off-field like this.

27 minutes ago, stevethemanjordan said:

I do hope you jest.

What does he provide that most of our mids don't already? Apart from an inability to break a tag...

He's meat and potatoes. That's it.

Edited March 21, 20187 yr by A F

18 minutes ago, A F said:

What does he provide that most of our mids don't already? Apart from an inability to break a tag...

He's meat and potatoes. That's it.

Haha he would have got us into finals last year easily. Courage, hard at it but outside skills and never stops. He’d be our best mid, kidding yourself. 

2 hours ago, Demonland said:

 

the yarra ranger

 

we need a mover with a slown hand,

we want a rover with an easy touch.

I want somebody who can runaround,

not com'on & blowup in a reddish blush,

I want somebody who understands,

when it comes a winnin', wanna slown hand.

 

 

Edited March 21, 20187 yr by DV8

2 hours ago, A F said:

What does he provide that most of our mids don't already? Apart from an inability to break a tag...

He's meat and potatoes. That's it.

Adam, there’s shepherds pie meat and potatoes and then there’s eye fillet with jacket potato and sour cream. 

I think we’d be able to squeeze him into our best 22 without too much difficulty. The question would be at what cost.

1 hour ago, small but forward said:

Adam, there’s shepherds pie meat and potatoes and then there’s eye fillet with jacket potato and sour cream. 

I think we’d be able to squeeze him into our best 22 without too much difficulty. The question would be at what cost.

Absolutely. Never said he wouldn't be in our best 22. But what would he offer (specifically) that we don't already possess?

As you say, at what cost? I'd take him if he came cheaply, but he won't. 

Oliver, Viney, Petracca, Salem, Brayshaw, Tyson and Jones will do me fine.

Edited March 21, 20187 yr by A F

4 hours ago, DV8 said:

the yarra ranger

 

we need a mover with a slown hand,

we want a rover with an easy touch.

I want somebody who can runaround,

not com'on & blowup in a reddish blush,

I want somebody who understands,

when it comes a winnin', wanna slown hand.

 

 

Carefull you're not stroking yourself Mountain District man !

8 hours ago, A F said:

Absolutely. Never said he wouldn't be in our best 22. But what would he offer (specifically) that we don't already possess?

As you say, at what cost? I'd take him if he came cheaply, but he won't. 

Oliver, Viney, Petracca, Salem, Brayshaw, Tyson and Jones will do me fine.

Yep, don’t disagree. If we as a club want our boys to band together as a team for the common goal of a near term dynasty, a la Hawthorn, then Jake Lever was the high price gap filler - we’ll struggle to bring in another one (esp. a midfielder) without potentially losing the core players you’ve articulated because they’re payed unders as a result.

10 hours ago, A F said:

Absolutely. Never said he wouldn't be in our best 22. But what would he offer (specifically) that we don't already possess?

As you say, at what cost? I'd take him if he came cheaply, but he won't. 

Oliver, Viney, Petracca, Salem, Brayshaw, Tyson and Jones will do me fine.

With GWS about to bloom into a full blown dynasty team, adding Sloan would improve our chances of matching them, with the addition of a top 3 midfielder in his prime. 

Having watched us lose two GFs in my life to superpower teams, we need to throw everything at improving this team to ensure we get the silverware this time.

Do it!

Edited March 21, 20187 yr by PaulRB

5 hours ago, small but forward said:

Yep, don’t disagree. If we as a club want our boys to band together as a team for the common goal of a near term dynasty, a la Hawthorn, then Jake Lever was the high price gap filler - we’ll struggle to bring in another one (esp. a midfielder) without potentially losing the core players you’ve articulated because they’re payed unders as a result.

Sloane at 28, could be a 4 YR option, with big pay years front & back ended, the end of this year may well see a senior player or 2 finish up.

IF Lew finished in 2018, and continued at Casey as a player and assistant he would be off our salary cap.others like Bern might be on a very diminshed contract if he continued.

Not doubt other contracts will be getting negotiated by 1/3 into season. We surely could do some juggling in time-frames on contracts, to work the Sloane big years into the balance of figures, to make it all work out.

His run and mobility is just what we really need mostly.

3 hours ago, PaulRB said:

With GWS about to bloom into a full blown dynasty team, adding Sloan would improve our chances of matching them, with the addition of a top 3 midfielder in his prime. 

Having watched us lose two GFs in my life to superpower teams, we need to throw everything at improving this team to ensure we get the silverware this time.

Do it!

Thats right, 'PRB'.

 

And Sloane is already a matured player ready to go.  It also closes the gap, between the Crows & us D's.  Not only GWS.

 

If Sloane went to saints the would close in on us a little.  similarly the Hawks. etc.

15 hours ago, A F said:

Absolutely. Never said he wouldn't be in our best 22. But what would he offer (specifically) that we don't already possess?

As you say, at what cost? I'd take him if he came cheaply, but he won't. 

Oliver, Viney, Petracca, Salem, Brayshaw, Tyson and Jones will do me fine.

We keep banding names about as a given, but in reality, on current output, I'm not sure that midfield would scare a lot of teams.

Oliver is very good, Viney would struggle to be a top two midfielder in any of the top half teams.  Petracca, Salem and Brayshaw are not even regular midfielders let alone serviceable midfield component. Tyson would just be a good midfield component in top team (but not crucial).  Jones may be a starting midfielder in most teams, but is ageing.

Yes there is a lot of potential, but those words have existed since Daniher left. 

What we really have is a dominant third year player as our maquee midfielder, a couple of warriors in Viney and Jones; with Tyson as support.  So Sloane would be a very handy addition (he would be part of most teams top bracket midfielders).

Still top midfields tend to grow quickly and from nowhere,  it's not often they are bought; so there is hope for optimism.  Our likely growth is just as likely to result from an ANB, Harmes, Hannan or Spargo improving rapidly.

 

 

Pass on Sloane, save up for Josh Kelly.

7 hours ago, small but forward said:

Yep, don’t disagree. If we as a club want our boys to band together as a team for the common goal of a near term dynasty, a la Hawthorn, then Jake Lever was the high price gap filler - we’ll struggle to bring in another one (esp. a midfielder) without potentially losing the core players you’ve articulated because they’re payed unders as a result.

Got to keep upgrading the list every year. 

If Sloane is available, then we should be on the front foot, if we don’t land him, another club will. 

Midfielders get injured, they are in the guts and frenzy. 

Sloane would be great right now as Viney is out for a long time

Never think static

1 hour ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Got to keep upgrading the list every year. 

If Sloane is available, then we should be on the front foot, if we don’t land him, another club will. 

Midfielders get injured, they are in the guts and frenzy. 

Sloane would be great right now as Viney is out for a long time

Never think static

As long as we don't go one step forward four steps backwards by paying overs for a 29 year old and then we lose TMac, Petracca, Hogan and Oliver because they get [censored] off at the pay disparity.

We'd be the first club to have 22 superstars in it and fit under the salary cap.

5 minutes ago, small but forward said:

As long as we don't go one step forward four steps backwards by paying overs for a 29 year old and then we lose TMac, Petracca, Hogan and Oliver because they get [censored] off at the pay disparity.

We'd be the first club to have 22 superstars in it and fit under the salary cap.

GWS are currently more likely to face this problem than we are.

OK, so they havent won the main prize yet, but right now i would take their list over ours. (And i love our list)

15 minutes ago, small but forward said:

As long as we don't go one step forward four steps backwards by paying overs for a 29 year old and then we lose TMac, Petracca, Hogan and Oliver because they get [censored] off at the pay disparity.

We'd be the first club to have 22 superstars in it and fit under the salary cap.

It never bothered Whorethorn or Jeelong and they go after top line players every year. Whorethorn lost Franklin and became a better side and won Back to Back Premierships. By next year there will be a mid season draft, so there will be more player traffic.

If anything we need to be more aggressive at Trade Time (although we have been pretty good since 2014)

Top line Players are that because they win games, we have often been too precious with players and if we are to win Multiple Flags, we must trade for what we need Whorethorn style, Target the player and get the job done, Lever was done this way precisely. I was impressed because I was told of the strategy by someone close to the inside during the bye week before the finals, weeks before it was a done deal.

 

1 hour ago, Sir Why You Little said:

It never bothered Whorethorn or Jeelong and they go after top line players every year. Whorethorn lost Franklin and became a better side and won Back to Back Premierships. By next year there will be a mid season draft, so there will be more player traffic.

If anything we need to be more aggressive at Trade Time (although we have been pretty good since 2014)

Top line Players are that because they win games, we have often been too precious with players and if we are to win Multiple Flags, we must trade for what we need Whorethorn style, Target the player and get the job done, Lever was done this way precisely. I was impressed because I was told of the strategy by someone close to the inside during the bye week before the finals, weeks before it was a done deal.

 

Don’t disagree SWYL, I’m just tarred with the MFCSS brush. Good points raised on recruiting strategies - I remember on 2015 draft night looking at Clarrys highlight reel thinking WTF?? I now implicitly trust the recruiting team (agree we did well with the Lever trade, got what we needed quickly), and the current playing group also appear settled and focussed. No reason why we can’t get more aggressive (carefully)