2 hours ago, Rusty Nails said:

The old chicken and egg argument OD.  I would urge anyone who thinks along such lines to spend an hour at each of the Hawks, Bulldogs & Cats facilities and then see whether you still feel the same way.  As a fellow LSDS i felt exactly as you did before doing so in the last few years OD.  Happy belated new year btw!  

Some good points RN and a question when you went to the Hawks, Bulldogs & Cats facilities how many people were there?

I understand that it is better to have a facility than not have one but is the expense of creating one from scratch worth the benefit?

Personal needs I guess, in the 80's I was a Redleg member and there used to be a facility in the old northern stand for Redlegs members after the game which I did enjoy but that was 35 years ago and I was 35 years younger I have no desire/ need any longer.

I am not saying that club should not have one it just holds no big desire for me.

And thank you Carn the Dees.

2 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Start winning first. (Football Dept and Training Facilities)

Start worrying about where to Celebrate later

(The Town Hall in the CBD of Melbourne is my personal choice), we rent space during the football season.

No point owning facilities when they’re not utilized. 

How often do we all go to Leighoak or the Bentleigh Club?

No one would ever know the Leighoak is leased by the club SWYL unless you were an older or well informed demon.  There is nothing anywhere outside or inside that venue to suggest it is linked to the MFC.   Having been and eaten there lately i can also say its bog ordinary ,decor and food.  I agree i wldnt be seen dead there.  Havent been to the Bentleigh club for over a decade as even back then it was way past its use buy and offered ordinary fare also.

Build it and they will come SW provided its in a reasonably central, easy to access position, with decent parking within earshot

1 hour ago, old dee said:

Some g ubs RN and a question when you went to the Hawks, Bulldogs & Cats facilities how many people were there?

I understand that it is better to have a facility than not have one but is the expense of creating one from scratch worth the benefit?

Personal needs I guess, in the 80's I was a Redleg member and there used to be a facility in the old northern stand for Redlegs members after the game which I did enjoy but that was 35 years ago and I was 35 years younger I have no desire/ need any longer.

I am not saying that club should not have one it just holds no big desire for me.

And thank you Carn the Dees.

All those facilities i attended as a guest at a function where a company/seniors group paid the Club for a group lunch served at the Club's cafe OD.  

Most impressive of those was the Bulldogs as it was before they had tasted any success in 2015.  As it so happened, Beveridge was present on the day chatting to supporters / anyone interested in the Cafe (not organised he just happened to be grabbing some lunch).  I recall at the time what a great club feel the venue had and even wrote this up on here at the time, effectively 14 mths before they tasted the ultimate success.  Sometimes "seeing/feeling" is believing OD.  Im also not going out as much as i once did but i would rather spend my hard earned at our club (if we had one) than anywhere else most of the time, where possible.  

26 minutes ago, Rusty Nails said:

No one would ever know the Leighoak is leased by the club SWYL unless you were an older or well informed demon.  There is nothing anywhere outside or inside that venue to suggest it is linked to the MFC.   Having been and eaten there lately i can also say its bog ordinary ,decor and food.  I agree i wldnt be seen dead there.  Havent been to the Bentleigh club for over a decade as even back then it was way past its use buy and offered ordinary fare also.

Build it and they will come SW provided its in a reasonably central, easy to access position, with decent parking within earshot

So we have 2 venues that few of us use. Exactly why i think we should rent space to hold events. 

Save running costs when not in use

1 minute ago, Sir Why You Little said:

temporarilye 2 venues that few of us use. Exactly why i think we should rent space to hold events. 

Save running costs when not in use

I would rather have a home that everyone can attend at any time of the year SW not just the FD and admin.  A venue that contains only those two depts and no access for supporters is not a club in the true sense of the word and never will be IMHO.  We need a year round home as well as somewhere to celebrate.  Waverley does both, subject to a refit/refurb (excluding existing fitness/eatery venues etc where their accommodation may or may not need upgrading).

5 minutes ago, Rusty Nails said:

I would rather have a home that everyone can attend at any time of the year SW not just the FD and admin.  A venue that contains only those two depts and no access for supporters is not a club in the true sense of the word and never will be IMHO.  We need a year round home as well as somewhere to celebrate.  Waverley does both, subject to a refit/refurb (excluding existing fitness/eatery venues etc where their accommodation may or may not need upgrading).

But it won’t be used in Summer as a social venue. It will have minimal use at best  

Social Clubs make money before games (Lunches) & after victories  the rest of the time they remain mostly idle, but need to be maintained 7 days a week  

There goes a fair slab of any profits  

Rent good space before and after games  

you are not proposing to buy VFL PARK i hope.....??

 

11 minutes ago, Rusty Nails said:

All those facilities i attended as a guest at a function where a company/seniors group paid the Club for a group lunch served at the Club's cafe OD.  

Most impressive of those was the Bulldogs as it was before they had tasted any success in 2015.  As it so happened, Beveridge was present on the day chatting to supporters / anyone interested in the Cafe (not organised he just happened to be grabbing some lunch).  I recall at the time what a great club feel the venue had and even wrote this up on here at the time, effectively 14 mths before they tasted the ultimate success.  Sometimes "seeing/feeling" is believing OD.  Im also not going out as much as i once did but i would rather spend my hard earned at our club (if we had one) than anywhere else most of the time, where possible.  

spot on

the only clubs have have issues with facilities from a training and admin dislocation perspective are us, bears, gc17, and the aints

if a club doesn't have a 'facility' attached to their club (e.g. port adelaide have the port club, footscray have daycare centre and gym etc., north has a cultural hub of some description and has had two upgrades in the last decade, and richmond have a publicly available swimming pool in a perfect location within spitting distance of the g, plus the Korin Gamadji Institute and community space too

bears and gc17 are in a pretty poor space in terms of facilities, and both we and the aints have no 'place' really - although saints are rectifying that with 'the return to moorabbin'

we need a home, and preferably within spitting distance of the g

4 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

But it won’t be used in Summer as a social venue. It will have minimal use at best  

Social Clubs make money before games (Lunches) & after victories  the rest of the time they remain mostly idle, but need to be maintained 7 days a week  

There goes a fair slab of any profits  

Rent good space before and after games  

you are not proposing to buy VFL PARK i hope.....??

 

Not me personally SW ☺ A 5 year lease might be viable though 

1 hour ago, Rusty Nails said:

Not me personally SW ☺ A 5 year lease might be viable though 

You want a Whorethorn hand me down?

6 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

You want a Whorethorn hand me down?

Hell no and at Waverly how does that help us? 

On 20 February 2018 at 4:20 PM, Sir Why You Little said:

You want a Whorethorn hand me down?

 

On 20 February 2018 at 4:27 PM, old dee said:

Hell no and at Waverly how does that help us? 

Provided it's a revamped one that helps win us a premiership or two due to the inclusive club / home feel and resulting increased interest/membership/sponsorship etc (and a home to supporters which we have never had... ever) then yes I'm all for it guys.  Sometimes you have to take a bit of a calculated risk in life.  It's only money after all

9 hours ago, Rusty Nails said:

 

Provided it's a revamped one that helps win us a premiership or two due to the inclusive club / home feel and resulting increased interest/membership/sponsorship etc (and a home to supporters which we have never had... ever) then yes I'm all for it guys.  Sometimes you have to take a bit of a calculated risk in life.  It's only money after all

But what if it doesn't? One of the big problems with clubs (and not just AFL clubs) is the willingness of Directors to mortgage a club's future using the argument that "we might be paying up now but we will recoup the costs and more when we win". Over the journey I've seen this happen time and again. Ranald MacDonald did it with the "New Magpies" and nearly bankrupted that club; and we did it in the mid-80s using the emotional argument that we had to give Robbie Flower a chance to play finals. 

9 hours ago, Rusty Nails said:

 

Provided it's a revamped one that helps win us a premiership or two due to the inclusive club / home feel and resulting increased interest/membership/sponsorship etc (and a home to supporters which we have never had... ever) then yes I'm all for it guys.  Sometimes you have to take a bit of a calculated risk in life.  It's only money after all

But is in the boonies RN. I hated going there when we played games there.

No chance I would go there for a "club house" feel.

This notion of clubhouse is literally some kind of yesteryear ( read last century ) form of desperate longing.

The club needs a new facility...not the supporters. Any number of watering holes for that purpose.

Any chance of reaching agreement with MCC to share Albert ground if format for summer cricket changed?

35 minutes ago, willmoy said:

Any chance of reaching agreement with MCC to share Albert ground if format for summer cricket changed?

Willmoy have you been there recently? It is a postage stamp with no parking and no room for development. It is not an option!

1 hour ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

But what if it doesn't? One of the big problems with clubs (and not just AFL clubs) is the willingness of Directors to mortgage a club's future using the argument that "we might be paying up now but we will recoup the costs and more when we win". Over the journey I've seen this happen time and again. Ranald MacDonald did it with the "New Magpies" and nearly bankrupted that club; and we did it in the mid-80s using the emotional argument that we had to give Robbie Flower a chance to play finals. 

But Rusty Whorethorn are leaving there because they have out grown the facility, what makes it any different to our needs?

I certainly wouldn’t go anywhere near Waverly Park for a few after match Whiskey ? ‘s

it’s pure madness. Waverly has no connection to us at all. 

We need to stay within a radius of the CBD/MCG

Those are our roots and we should embrace them even further. MMelbourne will become a very big city in the next decade. We can be a strong part of that. 

Edited February 22, 20187 yr by Sir Why You Little

2 hours ago, old dee said:

Willmoy have you been there recently? It is a postage stamp with no parking and no room for development. It is not an option!

No, i haven't for years OD, it's just as though it's annoying me not to able to create an alternative........

i don't see why we can't return to the mcg, especially with all the talk of of the new hi-tech artificial turf, which would allow vastly more practice time to be available. think to the future. natural grass on major stadiums will soon be a thing of the past

5 hours ago, old dee said:

But is in the boonies RN. I hated going there when we played games there.

No chance I would go there for a "club house" feel.

Not sure it’s quite in the boonies old dee. It may be a fair way away from brighton, but from the center of greater Melbourne from a population perspective it’s around 12mins away (chadstone is roughly the center) and super easy to get to.

not saying I would go there but.

Edited February 23, 20187 yr by --coach--

4 minutes ago, --coach-- said:

Not sure it’s quite in the boonies old dee. It may be a fair way away from brighton, but from the center of greater Melbourne from a population perspective it’s around 12mins away (chadstone is roughly the center) and super easy to get to.

not saying I would go there but.

I don't live at Brighton coach but I can guarantee you from the northern suburbs it is a three day route march. Not a chance in hell I would go there ever.

2 hours ago, willmoy said:

No, i haven't for years OD, it's just as though it's annoying me not to able to create an alternative........

It is located well but honestly it is small, I understand your frustration but Albert is not an alternative.

2 hours ago, daisycutter said:

i don't see why we can't return to the mcg, especially with all the talk of of the new hi-tech artificial turf, which would allow vastly more practice time to be available. think to the future. natural grass on major stadiums will soon be a thing of the past

I would agree with you dc but the mere fact the MFC is looking at alternatives suggests that the MCG for whatever reasons is not on!

1 minute ago, old dee said:

I don't live at Brighton coach but I can guarantee you from the northern suburbs it is a three day route march. Not a chance in hell I would go there ever.

? then you must really hate the walk to Casey fields which I would definitely classify as the boonies!

Not trying to say it would be a good idea to set up a social thing there, but if the goal was to be positioned to have the greatest access from a population perspective it’s not a bad location.

The ideal location would obviously be as close as possible to the MCG. The Lexus center or whatever it’s name is would be ideal (well done previous board for turning it down by the way! Slow clap ?)

12 minutes ago, --coach-- said:

? then you must really hate the walk to Casey fields which I would definitely classify as the boonies!

Not trying to say it would be a good idea to set up a social thing there, but if the goal was to be positioned to have the greatest access from a population perspective it’s not a bad location.

The ideal location would obviously be as close as possible to the MCG. The Lexus center or whatever it’s name is would be ideal (well done previous board for turning it down by the way! Slow clap ?)

For the millionth time we had no money to run the joint let alone turn it into a footy facility..