Ex-Demon Craig Cameron on the move again

[Vogon Poetry 2,095]

21 minutes ago, Franky_31 said:

 Rory was captain of eastern ranges and did not then and still doesnt rate Sam Blease,

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He wasn't the only one.  I've spoken to two other club's recruiting people about Blease.  One said they wouldn't have recruited him ever and the other said they didn't have him in the top 70 and couldn't believe it when we read his name out.

That doesn't mean all clubs thought the same.  Geelong took him from us (they did have some intel at AFL level by then) and there may have been others that would have taken him.  Regarding Sloane it's interesting that he fell to the 40's as it indicates he wasn't rated highly and everyone got it wrong as he'd be clearly be picked up very early if the draft was redone.  

[Sir Why You Little 34,497]

What a complete shambles it was

Sloane and Wines were great solid players from game 1

Toumpas and Blease gave us nothing from game 1

and this is just 2 examples...

[daisycutter 28,553]

43 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

What a complete shambles it was

Sloane and Wines were great solid players from game 1

Toumpas and Blease gave us nothing from game 1

and this is just 2 examples...

yes, and these weren't guys we just missed or didn't consider. we effectively had them all sewn up and just threw them away 

Edited November 19, 2017 by daisycutter

[Sir Why You Little 34,497]

1 hour ago, daisycutter said:

yes, and these weren't guys we just missed or didn't consider. we effectively had them all sewn up and just threw them away 

Yep 100%, which is why it was a shambles and why i could never give any credit to recruiting staff at the MFC for many years, no matter who they were. 

Those that do, have personal reasons. 

[DaveyDee 421]

3 hours ago, Vogon Poetry said:

He wasn't the only one.  I've spoken to two other club's recruiting people about Blease.  One said they wouldn't have recruited him ever and the other said they didn't have him in the top 70 and couldn't believe it when we read his name out.

That doesn't mean all clubs thought the same.  Geelong took him from us (they did have some intel at AFL level by then) and there may have been others that would have taken him.  Regarding Sloane it's interesting that he fell to the 40's as it indicates he wasn't rated highly and everyone got it wrong as he'd be clearly be picked up very early if the draft was redone.  

Interestingly no draft has ever been redone in reality. However, clubs have spent a fortune in the following areas 

1/ Pre-draft - physic testing, combine analysis, video analysis, plus a few others I wont discuss

2/ Draft Day - general acceptance that the sum of the whole is greater than the sum of the parts

3/ Post Draft - induction programmes and the 3 most important things in drafting are development, development and development. 

This all said and done overall we recognise drafting is not an exact science its only a game of probabilities. Which all cost big dollars to marginally improve your odds. 

Edited November 19, 2017 by DaveyDee

[Damo 2,995]

7 hours ago, Vogon Poetry said:

  Regarding Sloane it's interesting that he fell to the 40's as it indicates he wasn't rated highly and everyone got it wrong as he'd be clearly be picked up very early if the draft was redone.  

Yes he did run way down the to the 40's. Not the point at all and why try to flavour the conversation Tim?

BP was lying through his teeth and other clubs werent doing that.

[Vogon Poetry 2,095]

13 hours ago, Franky_31 said:

Yes he did run way down the to the 40's. Not the point at all and why try to flavour the conversation Tim?

BP was lying through his teeth and other clubs werent doing that.

Wasn't trying to flavour the conversation Franky, just musing as to how a guy who is so good could fall that far down the draft.

Not defending BP either.

[drdrake 3,038]

29 minutes ago, Vogon Poetry said:

Wasn't trying to flavour the conversation Franky, just musing as to how a guy who is so good could fall that far down the draft.

Not defending BP either.

You cant test for mongrel and determination, you watch kids you see the most skilled and talented kids stand out at junior level you draft them to find out that there is nothing else.  That was our issue with drafting we picked kids that stood out at Junior level, unfortunately most off them didn't have mongrel and that real determination.  

[Damo 2,995]

It was aired a couple of years a go that Rory interviewed poorly. I read it here or somewhere else. His laid back attitude hides his determination. He is still quite the surfer dude but to quote Chuck Berry, it goes to show you never can tell.

It could well have been why his family only had (multiple) face to face meetings with BP. They had no issues with any other club to my knowledge but its possible I may be the "token MFC" supporter in that strong Geelong/St Kilda crowd. And therefore I cop it.

As my sister (very close friends of the Sloans) describes my allegiance to Melbourne then and now "its like he is supporting a brother with a disability. He knows he can only hope for the smallest crumb of success". Not my words or thoughts BTW.

But I hope to Christ those days are over.

[Sir Why You Little 34,497]

4 hours ago, drdrake said:

You cant test for mongrel and determination

Yes you can. Attitude is very easy to gauge if the right questions and scenarios are put in place

[DaveyDee 421]

8 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Yes you can. Attitude is very easy to gauge if the right questions and scenarios are put in place

Now you are implying more than one person was involved in making the decisions yet you are so critical of the individuals in CC & BP. 

Your recruiting team is only as good as the development staff, the conditioning staff, the injury prevention and recovery staff. 

You are arguing from a position of ignorance - if you fail in drafts your whole club has to take the blame. 

[Sir Why You Little 34,497]

11 hours ago, DaveyDee said:

Now you are implying more than one person was involved in making the decisions yet you are so critical of the individuals in CC & BP. 

Your recruiting team is only as good as the development staff, the conditioning staff, the injury prevention and recovery staff. 

You are arguing from a position of ignorance - if you fail in drafts your whole club has to take the blame. 

Don’t tell me what i am doing. 

The first attribute a recruiter should be concerned with is the attitude of a player, on the field and off  

 

[DaveyDee 421]

3 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Don’t tell me what i am doing. 

The first attribute a recruiter should be concerned with is the attitude of a player, on the field and off