2 minutes ago, DubDee said:

i hear ya but I reckon its a bit harsh on the big fella.  last 3 years he has averaged 16 games/season.  and the missed games in 2015 was partly coz he was in vfl not due to injury

i think he is in our top 5 players and certainly our top 5 most important. so happy to pay him as such

Will disagree on that DD

 He is not in our best five based on performance over the last three years. He has had one good year which was 2016. If he was that good we shod have won more games. IMO he is a good tap ruckman who gives us little more on average.

11 minutes ago, old dee said:

Will disagree on that DD

 He is not in our best five based on performance over the last three years. He has had one good year which was 2016. If he was that good we shod have won more games. IMO he is a good tap ruckman who gives us little more on average.

Max Gawns 2016 season was great, OD.

'Good' was Jack Watts 2016 season.

 

10 minutes ago, Petraccattack said:

Max Gawns 2016 season was great, OD.

'Good' was Jack Watts 2016 season.

 

Yes his only season that was  better than average.

Because it was the only year he stayed on the park.

The odds are against him staying on the park over the cause of a 3-4 year period are poor.

Hence we should not be over paying him.

He should not be in the top 25% of the payment list.

There is massive risk of us paying him very big money to sit in the outer with us.

4 minutes ago, old dee said:

Yes his only season that was  better than average.

Because it was the only year he stayed on the park.

The odds are against him staying on the park over the cause of a 3-4 year period are poor.

Hence we should not be over paying him.

He should not be in the top 25% of the payment list.

There is massive risk of us paying him very big money to sit in the outer with us.

I'd add that his second half of 2015 was the equal of his 2016 form.  He was the dominant big-man in the league following the Geelong match.

Just now, TeamPlayedFine39 said:

I'd add that his second half of 2015 was the equal of his 2016 form.  He was the dominant big-man in the league following the Geelong match.

From my memory that match was the first time he influenced the result with four quarters and it was well into the season.

i am not saying he is a poor player, my complaint is he is not durable.

He is more than likely to go down with a long term injury before May next year.

I don't like the idea of having a large amount of our salary cap invested in a guy who average 10 games a year.

1 minute ago, old dee said:

From my memory that match was the first time he influenced the result with four quarters and it was well into the season.

i am not saying he is a poor player, my complaint is he is not durable.

He is more than likely to go down with a long term injury before May next year.

I don't like the idea of having a large amount of our salary cap invested in a guy who average 10 games a year.

It was right in the middle of the season, you're right - but that did lead to 18 months of complete dominance, and he is still young by a ruckman's standards.  The first half of 2015 was more about opportunities - he needed Jamar to hand over the no.1 role so he could get a good run at it.

 

1 hour ago, old dee said:

Will disagree on that DD

 He is not in our best five based on performance over the last three years. He has had one good year which was 2016. If he was that good we shod have won more games. IMO he is a good tap ruckman who gives us little more on average.

couldn't disagree more mate.  so not much point in arguing back  

Go Dees

17 minutes ago, DubDee said:

couldn't disagree more mate.  so not much point in arguing back  

Go Dees

It is a nice change to have varying views DD and remain civil.

Go Dees 

Edited October 24, 20178 yr by old dee

Signed on until 2021!

22 minutes ago, mauriesy said:

Signed on until 2021!

Just saw it. Fantastic news. Well done MFC for getting it out of the way.

Will you guys relax over players pay, we have PJ and Josh Mahoney, we could have kept Watts and still be under the TPP, they know what they are doing

37 minutes ago, mauriesy said:

Signed on until 2021!

Or until one party falls out of love. A poor 2018 and he could be on the way to Port.

Good one Max!

On 24/10/2017 at 3:30 PM, old dee said:

Yes his only season that was  better than average.

Because it was the only year he stayed on the park.

The odds are against him staying on the park over the cause of a 3-4 year period are poor.

Hence we should not be over paying him.

He should not be in the top 25% of the payment list.

There is massive risk of us paying him very big money to sit in the outer with us.

Give me ten players who should be paid more.

2 minutes ago, rpfc said:

Give me ten players who should be paid more.

He has had one good season now two years ago.

over rated IMO

Just now, old dee said:

He has had one good season now two years ago.

over rated IMO

We agree on rucks being of lesser importance but we have the best ruck in the league. 

And, injury prone, or not - he is valuable and was going to get paid...

Just now, rpfc said:

We agree on rucks being of lesser importance but we have the best ruck in the league. 

And, injury prone, or not - he is valuable and was going to get paid...

Correct but I don't have to like it?

 

25 minutes ago, old dee said:

Or until one party falls out of love. A poor 2018 and he could be on the way to Port.

*insert pouting baby gif*

Edited October 27, 20178 yr by faultydet

I [censored] love  this bloke.

3 minutes ago, faultydet said:

*insert pouting baby gif*

It is a fact of today's AFL fd. Everyone is tradable given the right deal.

I view all contracts as short term.

2 minutes ago, buck_nekkid said:

I [censored] love  this bloke.

But will he play 18 games in 2018?

12 minutes ago, old dee said:

Correct but I don't have to like it?

Never said you did. I am interested in who would be better paid than the injury prone but best ruckman in the league?

Petracca, Jones, Oliver, Hogan, T Mac, Viney, ???

It's just one of those situations where we can trade him or pay him.

1 minute ago, old dee said:

It is a fact of today's AFL fd. Everyone is tradable given the right deal.

I view all contracts as short term.

It's certainly becoming easier to change clubs, or be given the arz, but why bring it up in every thread?

It's a statement of intent at a minimum, and I think we ought to be damn pleased about it.

Should we dredge up some of the doomsday posts regarding a player walkout following the pushing of Watts? Nah, lets not.

Gawn recently has been cruising on his own reputation. Hasn't put in hard enough and gets a nice pay packet for years to come. Needs a rocket up his derriere. Recover the hunger and take it on. Jury out here.