Poor Jack he is doing it hard on 1/2 mill a year.Had his chance and stuffed it.l like where Melbourne is going.Some of his supporters are more than welcome to join him.Adios  

I don't understand why anyone at the club had to make public statements about Jack leaving, well before any deal had been done.  They should have repeated over and over "Jack is a contracted player", and then kept all the real conversations behind closed doors.

What happens now if he ends up staying cos a deal doesn't get over the line?  The club has basically announced that we don't want him at the club.  That sort of talk can even further damage the bloke, and further hurt his chances of bouncing back and finding some fresh motivation in 2018.  All that might be OK, except for the fact that we are still paying him a fortune, and that he can still be a top 5 player for the club.

2 minutes ago, Junior said:

I don't understand why anyone at the club had to make public statements about Jack leaving, well before any deal had been done.  They should have repeated over and over "Jack is a contracted player", and then kept all the real conversations behind closed doors.

What happens now if he ends up staying cos a deal doesn't get over the line?  The club has basically announced that we don't want him at the club.  That sort of talk can even further damage the bloke, and further hurt his chances of bouncing back and finding some fresh motivation in 2018.  All that might be OK, except for the fact that we are still paying him a fortune, and that he can still be a top 5 player for the club.

I don't believe the club has ever said (like Stringer) that he was never welcome back. You can analyise it to death but the club just said look at all your options.

They never said don't come back.

 

The rest is media/demonland hysteria

Edited October 16, 20177 yr by Unleash Hell

3 minutes ago, Unleash Hell said:

I don't believe the club has ever said (like Stringer) that he was never welcome back. You can analyise it to death but the club just said look at all your options.

They never said don't come back.

 

The rest is media/demonland hysteria

This is true, but they also went on to make comment as to why they want him to explore their options. That gets out in the media, rumors fly around other clubs and that is why things can sour.  The suggestion he didn't prepare well, or hasn't got the most out of his ability etc. There is generally only one way to perceive that.... and if everything is rosy you wouldn't have asked him to explore his options in the first place.

56 minutes ago, chook fowler said:

McCartin hasn't been in the system for nearly as long. His time will come I'm sure 

With Boyd 

1 hour ago, sue said:

I don't think those saying the club has handled this badly are referring to the decision, but the implementation of it (whatever one thinks of either issue).

Or those who are upset at the decision are using the perception of poor handling to muddy the waters.

My concern is that two or three new posters have gone further. They've introduced unsubstantiated allegations to make the club look bad because (I would assume) they're more attached to Jack than the club. I don't like how these posters have fuelled the fire so to speak and loyal supporters of this club (at an emotional time) have been manipulated.

3 minutes ago, Ouch! said:

This is true, but they also went on to make comment as to why they want him to explore their options. That gets out in the media, rumors fly around other clubs and that is why things can sour.  The suggestion he didn't prepare well, or hasn't got the most out of his ability etc. There is generally only one way to perceive that.... and if everything is rosy you wouldn't have asked him to explore his options in the first place.

Agree, but the suggestion he was thrown out and told to never set foot in the club again is plain wrong.

I've said this earlier but we don't know the exact reasons why he was asked to look at other options. As you said there were some suggestions in the media but I don't think we have the whole story.

Edited October 16, 20177 yr by Unleash Hell

3 minutes ago, Goodvibes said:

Or those who are upset at the decision are using the perception of poor handling to muddy the waters.

My concern is that two or three new posters have gone further. They've introduced unsubstantiated allegations to make the club look bad because (I would assume) they're more attached to Jack than the club. I don't like how these posters have fuelled the fire so to speak and loyal supporters of this club (at an emotional time) have been manipulated.

Correct, am agreeing with you @Goodvibes

Without solid evidence one way or another it looks like Trolls have sucked some in.

This is not a pretty break up by any means, but saying one side is more wrong then the other side is just stupid (without actual facts)

1 minute ago, Unleash Hell said:

Correct, am agreeing with you @Goodvibes

Without solid evidence one way or another it looks like Trolls have sucked some in.

This is not a pretty break up by any means, but saying one side is more wrong then the other side is just stupid (without actual facts)

The last time I felt like this was during the last days of Gutnick at the club. It's why I started posting on Demonology all those years ago. This has a similar feel although I'm still hopeful that once the trade happens of both parties have the opportunity to speak, we'll learn more and move on. I'm also hoping Mahoney makes another last day trade deal that reaffirms everyone's faith in the footy department.

Closest to the Pin - How many pages will this thread get to by 2.00pm Thursday or confirmation of a trade being done. 

I'm going with 264 pages. 

4 hours ago, Leoncelli_36 said:

Brendan McCartney has had a big hand in ridding the club of Watts. It's not Goodwin or Viney that have put a line through him. Macca was the person driving it. Has a track record of doing it too. 

Hope this is not the case as that would be the second time we have been bent over by an overachieving multiple premiership country coach (didn't he and that [censored] idiot neeld both coach Grovedale, Greensborough, Geeelong west, Geelong East, Gariwerd, Gnanjup, Goulbourn Valley or Gonadsville or something like that, starting with a G?)

6 minutes ago, DaveyDee said:

Closest to the Pin - How many pages will this thread get to by 2.00pm Thursday or confirmation of a trade being done. 

I'm going with 264 pages. 

Depends, hopefully at 5pm today the deal is done, then we can open a new thread Good Bye Jack Watts that will be another 200 pages

Just now, drdrake said:

Depends, hopefully at 5pm today the deal is done, then we can open a new thread Good Bye Jack Watts that will be another 200 pages

Is it all meant to happen today is it? is that what the press is saying??

 

42 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Say it again. 

There is far more to this than the club or the media are letting on...

No I don't believe there is.  You, @beelzebub and others are jumping at shadows.

The club has been transparent about the reasons for trading Jack Watts and those reasons have been telegraphed all year long.  Jack doesn't show the expected commitment and preparation required and does not set a good example to the rest of the list.  The membership deserves and commands a truthful explanation when such a popular player is moved on - and the club have delivered.  I don't believe that has diminished Jack's trade value at all - clubs know what is what.  But even if it has, the backlash from the membership to a "surprise" trade would have been far more damaging.

I'll be very sorry to see Jack go, he's undeniably charismatic and seems to be a genuinely well-balanced person.  But success in professional sports demands more than this.  I hope Jack goes on to have success elsewhere (as long as it's not at MFC expense) and will always wish him well.

7 minutes ago, drdrake said:

Depends, hopefully at 5pm today the deal is done, then we can open a new thread Good Bye Jack Watts that will be another 200 pages

Incorporating 150 pages advising that we got royally  screwed in the trade.

But such is life.

1 minute ago, Goodvibes said:

The last time I felt like this was during the last days of Gutnick at the club. It's why I started posting on Demonology all those years ago. This has a similar feel although I'm still hopeful that once the trade happens of both parties have the opportunity to speak, we'll learn more and move on. I'm also hoping Mahoney makes another last day trade deal that reaffirms everyone's faith in the footy department.

I've enjoyed you're contributions @Goodvibes, please keep them up. Tough decisions are never ever easy. But like Gutnick I am sure there are good reasons for every decision.

You don't employ good people ie (Jackson etc) and not trust their decisions.

The most interesting aspect about all this for me.... And I am not sure that anyone has spoken about this yet.

But the FD are employed to make the tough decisions. They're jobs are on the line with every decision, every game and every player move and so forth. So for people to question the decision to trade Watts (which I think is allowed, but I'm saying where these discussion have descended in to spiteful allegations), it's something that needs a bit of substance before the serious allegations are made. The need to discredit people with no evidence what so ever is very worrying.

I'm not saying people are wrong for questioning FD decisions, but they have nothing on the line. So without evidence these serious allegations just show how out of touch people are. Why would they (the FD) sabotage their own jobs and reputations??

Are erros made from time to time - no doubt, but to say they are not representing the Club's best interest are plain wrong, ans show the lack of knowledge in how management works

 

 

 

21 minutes ago, Goodvibes said:

Or those who are upset at the decision are using the perception of poor handling to muddy the waters.

My concern is that two or three new posters have gone further. They've introduced unsubstantiated allegations to make the club look bad because (I would assume) they're more attached to Jack than the club. I don't like how these posters have fuelled the fire so to speak and loyal supporters of this club (at an emotional time) have been manipulated.

Goodwin stated they have encouraged Jack to explore other opportunities....when he is not even half way through his current contract.  I would say that's sending a very clear message that the club is happy for him to move on.

My question is, how are these public comments helpful?  Surely these conversations could remain private until a deal is actually inked?

14 minutes ago, DaveyDee said:

Closest to the Pin - How many pages will this thread get to by 2.00pm Thursday or confirmation of a trade being done. 

I'm going with 264 pages. 

4 x 186

1 minute ago, Junior said:

Goodwin stated they have encouraged Jack to explore other opportunities....when he is not even half way through his current contract.  I would say that's sending a very clear message that the club is happy for him to move on.

My question is, how are these public comments helpful?  Surely these conversations could remain private until a deal is actually inked?

Because if they didn't say anything then you'd complain about not being informed.

 

5 minutes ago, Junior said:

Goodwin stated they have encouraged Jack to explore other opportunities....when he is not even half way through his current contract.  I would say that's sending a very clear message that the club is happy for him to move on.

My question is, how are these public comments helpful?  Surely these conversations could remain private until a deal is actually inked?

I couldn't disagree more - imagine the outrage among Jack's many fans if all of a sudden he's announced traded.

58 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Say it again. 

There is far more to this than the club or the media are letting on...

All the Watts lovers are under an illusion that there is something more going on. They can't face the reality that he's been nothing more than a depth player for 9 seasons (1 decent season) and has been dropped most seasons because he doesn't go hard at the ball.

6 minutes ago, Fifty-5 said:

No I don't believe there is.  You, @beelzebub and others are jumping at shadows.

The club has been transparent about the reasons for trading Jack Watts and those reasons have been telegraphed all year long.  Jack doesn't show the expected commitment and preparation required and does not set a good example to the rest of the list.  The membership deserves and commands a truthful explanation when such a popular player is moved on - and the club have delivered.  I don't believe that has diminished Jack's trade value at all - clubs know what is what.  But even if it has, the backlash from the membership to a "surprise" trade would have been far more damaging.

I'll be very sorry to see Jack go, he's undeniably charismatic and seems to be a genuinely well-balanced person.  But success in professional sports demands more than this.  I hope Jack goes on to have success elsewhere (as long as it's not at MFC expense) and will always wish him well.

You are entitled to your opinion 55

Jack played some good games this year, and some average ones. But his delisting has been quick and cold

something else is in the mix, i don’t know what it is. But i don’t believe what the media is saying either. 

(2 strikes maybe....)

Mods, can we please have an "Ignore thread" option??

I know, i know, i could just stop clicking on it, but its like driving past a car crash..... you just HAVE to look.

Are we there yet?

 

3 minutes ago, Junior said:

Goodwin stated they have encouraged Jack to explore other opportunities....when he is not even half way through his current contract.  I would say that's sending a very clear message that the club is happy for him to move on.

My question is, how are these public comments helpful?  Surely these conversations could remain private until a deal is actually inked?

Watts roaming around Alberton a week before the trade period began, would have been a dead giveaway. You would still have the same questions being asked of the club and player.

Just now, Sir Why You Little said:

You are entitled to your opinion 55

Jack played some good games this year, and some average ones. But his delisting has been quick and cold

something else is in the mix, i don’t know what it is. But i don’t believe what the media is saying either. 

(2 strikes maybe....)

Yikes!

 

Geez SWYL, why dont you hang draw and quarter the bloke!