On 9/1/2017 at 7:53 AM, Jumping Jack Clennett said:

WE WAS ROBBED!!!

I have just finished watching the replay of the Coll. clash, and there were two absolutely GLARING pro-Collingwood umpiring decisions which undoubtedly cost us two definite goals.

1./ First quarter , in our goalsquare, Dunne scooped up the ball on the half-volley,and gave it off to a team-mate  with two open hands,with Hogan directly behind him. Unm,issable goal from 11m. out.

2./Very end of Q3, when Melbourne fighting back strongly. In our goalsquare, Tom McDonald in front, probably about to mark, dragged down to ground by both shoulders. Unmissable goal, giving inspiring momentum into 3/4 time break.

So ,really, we only lost by 5pts, and it cost us a finals berth.

There was no way those frees would not have been paid to Coll. if the situation was reversed. The influence of the howling Mudpie fans made sure they got a good run all match.

Sorry to put you through this Jack, but any idea who the controlling umpire at the time was? Lucky number 28 perhaps?

Also, anyone watching a replay, there was a contest in our F50 early on, I think before a goal had been kicked. Outer wing, kick into Pedo to attempt a mark. Was it a one or two handed push in the back to take him out of the contest? Play on!

No I think it was ump 8 that turned a blind eye to Dunne's scoop, and the same ump didn't pay the Pedo push in the back soon after on our 50 m line.

I haven't checked whether it was Pannell(28), that failed to see the blatant free to Tmac in the square on 3/4 siren.

No worries, thanks Jack.

Ok then, for all the 'incompetence' theorists out there. Looking at the finals week 1 umpire appointments, both Chamberlain and Nicholls have been given a run. Would this really happen if they weren't performing or doing what they were requested? There's no incompetence here. I'll go even further, and as Jack said above, it was umpire number 8 Brett Rosebury that missed 2 crucial forward 50 free kicks for us against the Pies. Guess who else has been given a finals run. Hmmmm..... Steak  knives? The other umpire from our Pies clash, 11 Curtis Deboy, has been rewarded with his first ever finals appearance. Well done champ, your efforts have not gone unnoticed! The only question though is, where the hell is Pannell? He must've accidently paid us a free

On 01/09/2017 at 8:52 PM, willmoy said:

I hear that tonight's three umpires get the GF.

They can all GF as much as I care. 

We were number 1 for disposals and number 10 in frees for.

Where are those people saying that if you are first to the ball you win the frees?

So..... did the AFL want Port to win last night and it backfire in their face?

26-11 free kick after QT in favour of Port.

26-17 FT in favour of Port.

some of the bias one sided umpiring I've seen in favour of the home team.

deliberate OOB paid when WCE one point in front, the touched goal...

look at the AFL Media today going bananas over that last decision, which was a free everyday of the week for me.

if you've watched a lot of footy this year and last nights game and think that's it's still not a stitch up then I'll go jump. The most obvious and suspicious season of umpiring I've ever seen. My opinion stands.

3 hours ago, SFebey said:

So..... did the AFL want Port to win last night and it backfire in their face?

26-11 free kick after QT in favour of Port.

26-17 FT in favour of Port.

some of the bias one sided umpiring I've seen in favour of the home team.

deliberate OOB paid when WCE one point in front, the touched goal...

look at the AFL Media today going bananas over that last decision, which was a free everyday of the week for me.

if you've watched a lot of footy this year and last nights game and think that's it's still not a stitch up then I'll go jump. The most obvious and suspicious season of umpiring I've ever seen. My opinion stands.

Must admit I was a nuetral observer going into the game. Despised them both being in front of us and in the 8.

I didn't know the free kick count but started supporting West Coke because of the umpiring bias to Port.

Having said that I believe it was more of a home ground thing than any instruction from the AFL.

 

So now we have a a final decided by the umpiring will the AFL do anything?

Nah...

3 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

So now we have a a final decided by the umpiring will the AFL do anything?

Nah...

I think you mean a final decided by two players from opposing teams.  One that gave a high tackle in the forward 50, and the other being the player that kicked the goal.  

Just as well we did not get top four and paly Richmond or Geelong, because Nichols and McInerney were there !!!!

3 hours ago, jnrmac said:

So now we have a a final decided by the umpiring will the AFL do anything?

Nah...

Crowd: good

Betting turnover: very good

Result: exciting

Revenue from pies and chips: record levels

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It's Monday's Umpire Review Panel at AFL House.

The umpires from the WCE/Port match crawl into Gil McLachlan's study.

Gil is at his desk reviewing the clauses in his employment agreement that trigger bonuses.

GM: Marge, is that you?

Umpires: (look at each other in confusion)

GM: Marge, can you clean out the fireplace. And get me some more smoked salmon and caviar. Ran out on the weekend.

Umpire 1: Um, Mr McLachlan?

GM: Hmmph? (looks up) What the ... what are you charlies doing here?

Umpire 1: We're here for the Umpires' Review Panel meeting, Mr McLachlan.

GM: Ohhhhhhh yes. That. I'm glad you're here. I've got a few words for you blokes.

Umpire 2: I know, Mr McLachlan. We're sorry. We held our own review after the match. We're really sorry. We know it's a showcase and it's broadcast into 800 countries worldwide, and--

GM: What? What are you talking about?

Umpire 1: Please, Mr McLachlan. We know we stuffed it. Please, look at our records, please find it in you to overlook this--

GM: Stuffed it? Stuffed what? What game were you at?

Umpire 3: That decision right at the end. I know it stands out like a dog's--

GM: Decisions? Are we talking about the same thing?

Umpires: (look at each other in confusion)

GM: Crowd was good. Gate was good. TV ratings extremely good. Everyone's talking about the finish. Everyone! F***ing hell! What a great weekend. You d***heads did a marvellous job. Why are you worrying about decisions?

Umpire 2: But what about the integrity of the game, Mr McLachlan? No one wants a grand final decided by something like this. We know you're red hot on the integ--

GM: (chuckles) Oh, I see. You guys. Look. The cheer squads put up their banners. The guys wearing foam costumes like lions or tigers or swans or clowns or what the f*** run around before the game giving high fives to the kiddies. Tradies try to take speccies at half time to win a TV. And you f***ers run around doing your umpiring refereeing ... whatever the f*** thing. You know what? I spoke to the Eagles sponsors after the game and they were so f***ing over the moon they were talking about sponsoring the entire league! And here you are worrying about "decisions" ... what ... I mean ... what planet are you on?

Umpire 1: But ... decisions are fundamental ... it's ... the integrity of the game, Mr McLachlan. We feel it's--

GM: Listen, I know all about the integrity of the game. I AM the integrity of the game. Look. I can see you're upset about something. Forget it. You're doing a great job. Whatever it is you guys are doing, just keep doing it. The game's never been in better shape.

Umpires: (look at each other)

Umpire 1: So ... you're not upset ... by anything?

GM: Upset? Didn't you just hear me? Game's never been better. Shame about Essendon though. They're a huge draw. I might have a few words with those umpires ... explain the facts of life to them ...

Umpire 3: May we go then?

GM: Go? Go for your lives! Have a cigar ... oh, I'm out. Never mind. Marge!! Alright, this meeting's finished. F*** off.

Umpires: Thank you Mr McLachlan. (they crawl backwards out of the office)

3 hours ago, Mazer Rackham said:

It's Monday's Umpire Review Panel at AFL House.

The umpires from the WCE/Port match crawl into Gil McLachlan's study.

Gil is at his desk reviewing the clauses in his employment agreement that trigger bonuses.

GM: Marge, is that you?

Umpires: (look at each other in confusion)

GM: Marge, can you clean out the fireplace. And get me some more smoked salmon and caviar. Ran out on the weekend.

Umpire 1: Um, Mr McLachlan?

GM: Hmmph? (looks up) What the ... what are you charlies doing here?

Umpire 1: We're here for the Umpires' Review Panel meeting, Mr McLachlan.

GM: Ohhhhhhh yes. That. I'm glad you're here. I've got a few words for you blokes.

Umpire 2: I know, Mr McLachlan. We're sorry. We held our own review after the match. We're really sorry. We know it's a showcase and it's broadcast into 800 countries worldwide, and--

GM: What? What are you talking about?

Umpire 1: Please, Mr McLachlan. We know we stuffed it. Please, look at our records, please find it in you to overlook this--

GM: Stuffed it? Stuffed what? What game were you at?

Umpire 3: That decision right at the end. I know it stands out like a dog's--

GM: Decisions? Are we talking about the same thing?

Umpires: (look at each other in confusion)

GM: Crowd was good. Gate was good. TV ratings extremely good. Everyone's talking about the finish. Everyone! F***ing hell! What a great weekend. You d***heads did a marvellous job. Why are you worrying about decisions?

Umpire 2: But what about the integrity of the game, Mr McLachlan? No one wants a grand final decided by something like this. We know you're red hot on the integ--

GM: (chuckles) Oh, I see. You guys. Look. The cheer squads put up their banners. The guys wearing foam costumes like lions or tigers or swans or clowns or what the f*** run around before the game giving high fives to the kiddies. Tradies try to take speccies at half time to win a TV. And you f***ers run around doing your umpiring refereeing ... whatever the f*** thing. You know what? I spoke to the Eagles sponsors after the game and they were so f***ing over the moon they were talking about sponsoring the entire league! And here you are worrying about "decisions" ... what ... I mean ... what planet are you on?

Umpire 1: But ... decisions are fundamental ... it's ... the integrity of the game, Mr McLachlan. We feel it's--

GM: Listen, I know all about the integrity of the game. I AM the integrity of the game. Look. I can see you're upset about something. Forget it. You're doing a great job. Whatever it is you guys are doing, just keep doing it. The game's never been in better shape.

Umpires: (look at each other)

Umpire 1: So ... you're not upset ... by anything?

GM: Upset? Didn't you just hear me? Game's never been better. Shame about Essendon though. They're a huge draw. I might have a few words with those umpires ... explain the facts of life to them ...

Umpire 3: May we go then?

GM: Go? Go for your lives! Have a cigar ... oh, I'm out. Never mind. Marge!! Alright, this meeting's finished. F*** off.

Umpires: Thank you Mr McLachlan. (they crawl backwards out of the office)

Sounds about right, can't wait for the next episode, Syd/Ess URP. Those poor bastards didn't stand a chance, but at least they tried. Winning the free kick count 26-20 away from home is about as good as it gets.

On 28/08/2017 at 0:07 PM, Clintosaurus said:

The AFL is now equal to or worse than the NRL in terms of manufacturing outcomes. TV broadcasters must be included too. It's entertainment now and all geared to maximising revenues. We don't generate enough $$$$$$ so need to overcome these influences. Seems we are not at that level yet. 

But North, Bulldogs, Saints are? They've all finished top 4 multiple times over the last decade

I don't buy it

On 05/09/2017 at 2:41 PM, jnrmac said:

We were number 1 for disposals and number 10 in frees for.

Where are those people saying that if you are first to the ball you win the frees?

Wouldn't it be the contested possessions differential vs free kick differential?

Was that the worst umpired quarter of finals footy we've seen ever? Fancy that, our mate Matt Nicholls in the thick of it.

Just shows the level of umpiring when Nichols gets a final.

20 minutes ago, loges said:

Just shows the level of umpiring when Nichols gets a final.

It's just like I've been saying, if these guys are getting finals they're obviously doing exactly what's been asked of them.

I've just watched the Geelong/Sydney game. I wasn't really barracking for either side, so for once, I was unbiased in my judgment of the umpiring.

For the first 5 min, the umpires let the game flow, not paying "twiggy touch woods".

Then they gave Dangerfield a very dubious free in front for a tiny jumper tug, which happens in every marking contest.

From then on, I could only describe the umpiring in that game as unintelligent, ignorant and inconsistent. Nicholls, Raspberry and the other goose should never get another final.

They pay too many "unnecessary" frees, where nobody would criticise them for not paying a free. Frees that you have to watch the replay three times in slow motion to see why they were paid.

Then they fail to pay blatant holding the man, throw, or push in the back.

The umpires are very well paid. They are above criticism.

Tonight's Pelicans should get a pay cut or a fine.

Well seeing as this is an umpiring thread and the Brownlow is voted by the umpires I'll have a rant. @Lucifer's Hero sums it up very well!

So we have the deliberate (no votes) to Danger to avoid embarrasment of winning.

Then we also have GOTY, winner being indigenous which is great as they are the real stars but there would've been 20 better goals this year, even Oliver v Adelaide & Hunts 75m torpedo into the wind were better IMO, not to mention 5-10 of Eddie Betts' goals and the best one of all IMO was Buddy's.....

Then MOTY - Howe did Howe not win this? He was told to be sitting in his seat when it was announced and funny enough it was given to an Essendon player, who I think the AFL are trying to get everyone forgive after their drug cheating scandal. I even think Puopulo's mark was better than JD's!

Now apparently these awards are voted by the public? But everyone at least thought Howe should have got MOTY. Which leads me suspect the AFL intervened and rigged it all. Just my thoughts, but I have no trust in the current AFL administration one bit. Gil needs to go.

And all in the same week as Cotchin, captain of a participating GF team, gets off the MRP with no case to answer? When he clearly tucked his arms in, lead with his shoulder and caused concussion - if he was going for the ball adamantly he would've had his hands out to grab it, any other week during during the year he would've been rubbed out or got a fine, which would see his missing the GF...AFL wouldn't let it happen, AFL wants Richmond to win the Premiership. If Dangerfield laid his "dangerous tackle" in the Pre-lim, do you think he would be playing the GF? Yes he would.

Did Andrew McGrath deserve the Rising Star ahead of Powell-Pepper or Burton? McGrath another Essendon player.

James Hird to present the Norm Smith after his indiscretions? Essendon.

The whole thing is getting unbearable to watch, but Gil and his puppets will call it the best season ever due to the closeness of the games, where if one watched closely, umpires evened up games themselves. The whole game needs an overhaul, but they will get away with it due to the "results."

What gives me hope is maybe one day soon the AFL will want the Mighty Dees to win a premiership after a long draught, but personally, I hope we do it the hard way and our own way.

It must be hell inside your head.

Can someone please clarify...are the Mark of the Year and Goal of the Year chosen by the public? (I don't mean the weekly award - just the annual award taken from the weekly ones). If it is, Howe not winning MOTY is astounding as I would have thought the Collingwood masses would have been enough to get him over the line. And if it's not public voted...I still don't understand why he didn't win it.

Just now, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

Can someone please clarify...are the Mark of the Year and Goal of the Year chosen by the public? (I don't mean the weekly award - just the annual award taken from the weekly ones). If it is, Howe not winning MOTY is astounding as I would have thought the Collingwood masses would have been enough to get him over the line. And if it's not public voted...I still don't understand why he didn't win it.

Yes it is apparently chosen by the public.

7 minutes ago, SFebey said:

Yes it is apparently chosen by the public.

Quote

Selection process[edit]   (from wikipedia)

After each round of the regular AFL season, three "mark of the week" nominations are determined by a panel of football experts. The general public can then vote for a weekly winner on the AFL website.^[1][6]

After the regular season's end, the title is given to a single mark, which is chosen by the All-Australian selection committee; the public is not given a say in the final outcome. The selection committee is not restricted to choosing a winner from the mark of the week winners; indeed, in 2010, the two favourites both came in round 21, and although the public voted Brendon Goddard as mark of the week, the selection panel named Jurrah as Mark of the Year. The winner is announced during grand final week.^[6]

 

3 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

 

Well there you go, case closed. Thanks DC