The China Game

[demoniac 1,337]

1 hour ago, beelzebub said:

Au contraire.. as long as not us. Dont care. Love to meet either the week after

Neither side play the week after.

[beelzebub 23,392]

13 minutes ago, demoniac said:

Neither side play the week after.

You're right. 

[whatwhat say what 23,841]

nt twice or china once?

[beelzebub 23,392]

34 minutes ago, DemonAndrew said:

nt twice or china once?

or c) None 

[whatwhat say what 23,841]

i don't know if we can afford to not sell a game/s somewhere.

[Diamond_Jim 12,772]

12 hours ago, demoniac said:

Port have trousered $6 million in China sourced sponsorships.

Seems like good business to me.

 

 

that does not cover the cost of the first game. (Think stadium works , travel staff etc)  For it to work they need a minimum of five years including AFL money.

 

[Jara 1,153]

13 hours ago, Biffen said:

The only decent thing they've ever done is crush dissent and fry dessert.

Poetry? Try reading Han Shan (Cold Mountain). 

[wonnabeeri 277]

On 5/16/2017 at 7:09 AM, Diamond_Jim said:

that does not cover the cost of the first game. (Think stadium works , travel staff etc)  For it to work they need a minimum of five years including AFL money.

 

Game cost them $4M.

[DubDee 26,670]

what a waste of time the game in China was!

whats the point?!?

[daisycutter 30,004]

34 minutes ago, DubDee said:

what a waste of time the game in China was!

whats the point?!?

afl execs get free international travel?

[beelzebub 23,392]

4 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

afl execs get free international travel?

Was a junket trip. I reckon they should junk-it.

[DubDee 26,670]

AFL seems desperate to make footy somehow global. international rules, NZ and now this.  

It's an aussie game, we like it that way. spend money on grass roots footy and supporting the lower leagues not feckin china

[old dee 24,082]

Some interesting fake news about this game.

prior to the game AFL says the ground holds 20k+

Vision of the game shows lots of space free of spectators.

Day after the AFL says ground sold out and attendance of 10k+ and it was a big success.

Hmm is it just me or does something smell here?

[old dee 24,082]

3 hours ago, wonnabeeri said:

Game cost them $4M.

That would go a long way at a number of VFL clubs!

[wonnabeeri 277]

3 minutes ago, old dee said:

Some interesting fake news about this game.

prior to the game AFL says the ground holds 20k+

Vision of the game shows lots of space free of spectators.

Day after the AFL says ground sold out and attendance of 10k+ and it was a big success.

Hmm is it just me or does something smell here?

They always said the ground could hold 14K but were aiming for 10K. They easily got that. It was near on impossible to get a ticket to the game. A lot of the seats looked vacant as you could watch the game standing in corporate areas where they had booze. 

I really don't understand the negativity. It was an awesome day and footy in China isn't going away any time soon.You are what you read, and I guess the Australian media that weren't at the game have nothing else to write about....

[hardtack 11,106]

5 minutes ago, wonnabeeri said:

They always said the ground could hold 14K but were aiming for 10K. They easily got that. It was near on impossible to get a ticket to the game. A lot of the seats looked vacant as you could watch the game standing in corporate areas where they had booze. 

I really don't understand the negativity. It was an awesome day and footy in China isn't going away any time soon.You are what you read, and I guess the Australian media that weren't at the game have nothing else to write about....

Yep. I went to the Dees v Lions game at that same stadium and I would have guessed a capacity of 10 - 15K max.  The figure of 10K might be accurate, but I doubt very much they had many interested locals; rather, I would say that at least 75% were tourists and expats, with the rest being local dignitaries or friends of expat Australians who had had their curiosity piqued.

[beelzebub 23,392]

Have no issue with say the AFL spreading the game. Dont abide this waste.

Its the big boys with hands on .... having a jolly old time. 

Obscene really.  Emperor's new clothes kinda shlt !!

Wonnabeeri, what do you think such extravaganzas achieve ? What prize is there ? Why should the general fund underwrite this ?

[old dee 24,082]

1 hour ago, wonnabeeri said:

They always said the ground could hold 14K but were aiming for 10K. They easily got that. It was near on impossible to get a ticket to the game. A lot of the seats looked vacant as you could watch the game standing in corporate areas where they had booze. 

I really don't understand the negativity. It was an awesome day and footy in China isn't going away any time soon.You are what you read, and I guess the Australian media that weren't at the game have nothing else to write about....

From here it looks like a disaster.

$4million to stage hardly a local in sight but that might be good as it barely got above an exhibition match as a spectacle.

So what was achieved?

Effect on the local? Hmm looks bugger all to me.

Getting  the AFL game of the weekend televised in China every week would achieve a lot more.

If that cost $4 million it might be a better use of the money.

[monoccular 17,760]

1 hour ago, old dee said:

Some interesting fake news about this game.

prior to the game AFL says the ground holds 20k+

Vision of the game shows lots of space free of spectators.

Day after the AFL says ground sold out and attendance of 10k+ and it was a big success.

Hmm is it just me or does something smell here?

Surely AFL HQ would never lie about this sort of thing.....after all they tell the truth about everything every time  ?

[old dee 24,082]

1 hour ago, monoccular said:

Surely AFL HQ would never lie about this sort of thing.....after all they tell the truth about everything every time  ?

Yes mono not sure how I could even entertain  the thought. 

[demoniac 1,337]

6 hours ago, DubDee said:

AFL seems desperate to make footy somehow global. international rules, NZ and now this.  

It's an aussie game, we like it that way. spend money on grass roots footy and supporting the lower leagues not feckin china

Yeah cause sports from overseas ain't gonna come here and take our best athletes and our fans sporting dollars. Should go back to the VFL days too.

[beelzebub 23,392]

6 minutes ago, demoniac said:

Yeah cause sports from overseas ain't gonna come here and take our best athletes and our fans sporting dollars. Should go back to the VFL days too.

Sorry but if that were the case we'd have already seen a notable exodus. We haven't...

[dpositive 1,838]

5 hours ago, old dee said:

From here it looks like a disaster.

$4million to stage hardly a local in sight but that might be good as it barely got above an exhibition match as a spectacle.

So what was achieved?

Effect on the local? Hmm looks bugger all to me.

Getting  the AFL game of the weekend televised in China every week would achieve a lot more.

If that cost $4 million it might be a better use of the money.

$4 mill outlaid  by AFL

Reported that Port acheived$12 mill new sponsorship.

Certainly an exhibition match. Both teams playing for 4 points was meant to give more intensity. Better team selection and buy in by clubs would improve the contest and provide a better display Gold Coast are already subsidised so much by AFL they had no incentive. Doggies would try harder coz that's the way they play every game now. It's survival.

I wouldn't mind Demons playing with desperation to grow the game we initiated and pick up the first of the privileged market which can only grow.

Match of the round televised into China would help and be more effective. I would also like to see the Demons match as the match of the round more regularly.

Yes grass roots local footy should also be supported but China represents new money coming into the game. We should be able to spread that new money after making sure we make a profit. Need to monitor and manage gambling impacts very carefully.

[wonnabeeri 277]

17 hours ago, old dee said:

From here it looks like a disaster.

$4million to stage hardly a local in sight but that might be good as it barely got above an exhibition match as a spectacle.

So what was achieved?

Effect on the local? Hmm looks bugger all to me.

Getting  the AFL game of the weekend televised in China every week would achieve a lot more.

If that cost $4 million it might be a better use of the money.

There would have been 3-4000 locals there. It cost 4 million but has brought in much more. Games are now regularly televised on CCTV5, which is basically the same as fox sports. Sure the game was crap, but so are bunch of afl games played in Australia too. Just keep hating.

[hardtack 11,106]

2 minutes ago, wonnabeeri said:

There would have been 3-4000 locals there. It cost 4 million but has brought in much more. Games are now regularly televised on CCTV5, which is basically the same as fox sports. Sure the game was crap, but so are bunch of afl games played in Australia too. Just keep hating.

It's not a matter of anyone being a "hater"... if you consider 3-4,000 locals (and how many of them were genuinely interested vs dignitaries and people representing companies involved in sponsorships at the ground?) to be a good crowd in a city of 20 million, I'm afraid you're somewhat kidding yourself; particularly if it does get as much airplay as you are telling us.  As an example, last year in Sydney (a city of what, 4 million?) an American College Football match between University of California, Berkeley and the University of Hawaii, drew a crowd of 61,247, mostly locals... and that is in a sport that probably has less local participation in Sydney than AFL would have in China.

I hope it does become successful in China, but I remember hearing a few years back that cricket was taking off in a big way and that it was going to be the next big thing over there... and look how well that has gone.  I'm not so optimistic.