Trading is purely about the list, not payback

Ok I apologize. All the nastiness on here must be getting to me.

Bit more on the 'mega-deal':

AFL Trades: Four club trade could help Power snare JimmyToumpas, Charlie Dixon

The deal, which still hinges on some tweaking to come off, would involve several exchanges of second and third round selections between the club so that all four clubs are satisfied that they have improved their position from the transactions. Port Adelaide is confident it has a realistic chance of snaring Toumpas, a South Australian first-round draft pick two seasons ago who has not yet blossomed at Melbourne, but will not go after him in this deal if it weakens it feels it weakens Ports position to negotiate for Dixon.

Edited October 17, 201510 yr by Demonland
Can't quote articles in full

From what the papers say Pick 26 is off to the Lions for Aish. So with whats left it's sounds like Kennedy + 28 & 29 at best.

It's going to be a doozy of a trade no matter what and someone in this group is going to get screwed. Here's to hoping its not us. But if it takes up to Thursday to execute, then it surely will be us.

Deep down inside I like others though don't care too much about the departure of the players (But I do hope Grinter comes out of retirement and gives Howie a Wallace special. I see the JH 'look at me' strut all the time in Port Melbourne, it is sickening - he will fit in well at the filth).

I care more about how wisely we can turn the best of unplanned situation into something more fruitful. (i.e. we re-position our picks GWS or GC to attempt to get higher in the top 10 or even multiple selection 6 & 8) That to me is whether we win or lose out of this.

Anyway, leave it to the pro's - they'll do the best they can.

what is the grinter wallace special

TTTTHHHHHHUUUMMMMMMPPPPPPPPPPPP !!!

If we're trading JT and JH out I would expect 3 second rounders in return (then we can upgrade that for pick 8)

_{I think we have more chance of getting reasonable value from Collingwood for Howe as part of a mega deal as a multiple clubs will be involved and they all need to be satisfied or they all fall through.}

This whole Howe trade is holding up the rest of our possible trading and considering there is only 6 days left it needs to gets done by Monday!

IDAD, the free agency will end today. The result must be at the AFL by 10am tomorrow.

If not they have 2 options. To be traded on an open market with no protection of FA or go into the draft.

Howe ISNT free agent

If we're trading JT and JH out I would expect 3 second rounders in return (then we can upgrade that for pick 8)

Are GC looking at getting academy players in? if so I wonder whether we can go after their pick 3, with more points from our second rounders and get a pick back to give GWS for Bugg, to make the deal ok for the AFL.

That would give us picks 3 and 6 by going direct to GC. That is assuming Prestia and O'Meara are staying put, so we are after the pick 3, not a player.

Are GC looking at getting academy players in? if so I wonder whether we can go after their pick 3, with more points from our second rounders and get a pick back to give GWS for Bugg, to make the deal ok for the AFL.

That would give us picks 3 and 6 by going direct to GC. That is assuming Prestia and O'Meara are staying put, so we are after the pick 3, not a player.

I don't think GC have any academy players this year going high, so I'm not sure they'd take that

I don't think GC have any academy players this year going high, so I'm not sure they'd take that

Pity. That leaves GWS as the only likely target for the pick upgrade.

Pity. That leaves GWS as the only likely target for the pick upgrade.

Who, after the Treloar trade goes down, will have pick 7 as well as pick 8 to potentially target to offset academy bid deductions for GWS.

That said, if GWS get wind that clubs inside the first 6 picks decide not to bid on Hopper and/or Kennedy, they will hold onto those picks and end up with 4 gun players.

Essendon, Saints (at this stage) and us have to bid on these kids.

Would like a pick around 15-18 to snare young Rioli.

Who, after the Treloar trade goes down, will have pick 7 as well as pick 8 to potentially target to offset academy bid deductions for GWS.

That said, if GWS get wind that clubs inside the first 6 picks decide not to bid on Hopper and/or Kennedy, they will hold onto those picks and end up with 4 gun players.

Essendon, Saints (at this stage) and us have to bid on these kids.

Who, after the Treloar trade goes down, will have pick 7 as well as pick 8 to potentially target to offset academy bid deductions for GWS.

That said, if GWS get wind that clubs inside the first 6 picks decide not to bid on Hopper and/or Kennedy, they will hold onto those picks and end up with 4 gun players.

Essendon, Saints (at this stage) and us have to bid on these kids.

But will also need to conduct a fire sale to make room on their list for the new players.

I'd be going all out to trump Carlton for the better discards (Bugg, Plowman, Tomlinson)

Could we be targeting pick 10 as part of mega trade as net return for Howe+ ToumpAs?

Could we be targeting pick 10 as part of mega trade as net return for Howe+ ToumpAs?

Id rather target pick 8 but apparently the two 2nd rounders we could get off Port and Collingwood aren't still not enough in regards to the academy points system?

Happy to be corrected.

Id rather target pick 8 but apparently the two 2nd rounders we could get off Port and Collingwood aren't still not enough in regards to the academy points system?

Happy to be corrected.

Easily fixed, you add round three pick to 2 second rounders and you are ahead of the pack, especially as you are wanting Bugg, which will keep the AFL happy, with the points difference.

Edited October 18, 201510 yr by Redleg

So we loose Howe & Toump and pick up Melksham & Kennedy.

Aren't we meant to be improving our list???

Yeah I personally wouldn't want to lose the toump now, he has too much upside

Yeah I personally wouldn't want to lose the toump now, he has too much upside

Toumpas is a spud at AFL level.

Yeah I personally wouldn't want to lose the toump now, he has too much upside

I'm generally not into being negative about our players however Toumpas is a deer in headlights at AFL level.

If trading Toumpas gets us a better player or a pick which leads to a better player then good.

Personally I don't see the point in that we would likely end up with some late 2nd/3rd round picks which just brings in more depth players...

This would be my scenario:

- Howe for Freeman
- Toumpas to Port, Port pick 29 to Colingwood, Kennedy to Melbourne

Personally I don't see the point in that we would likely end up with some late 2nd/3rd round picks which just brings in more depth players...

This would be my scenario:

- Howe for Freeman

- Toumpas to Port, Port pick 29 to Colingwood, Kennedy to Melbourne

So you value a 100 game player, who is the best high mark in the game and hardly misses a game, the same as a player with chronic hamstring injuries, who hasn't played a single AFL game in his two years in the AFL? Interesting!

So you value a 100 game player, who is the best high mark in the game and hardly misses a game, the same as a player with chronic hamstring injuries, who hasn't played a single AFL game in his two years in the AFL? Interesting!

Howe is the best high mark in history, but he's an ordinary footballer and rarely impacts games.

So you value a 100 game player, who is the best high mark in the game and hardly misses a game, the same as a player with chronic hamstring injuries, who hasn't played a single AFL game in his two years in the AFL? Interesting!

Yes, I rate Howe's 1 speccie a game and 0 accountability less than the potential Freeman has.