Toumpas for Vince. That is all.

Make Dawes come back through Casey for two reasons - 1) I couldn't drop Frost on today's effort and he did a decent job as second ruck too 2) it might make him think twice before doing something stupid again that will cost him and potentially the team and set an example to the rest of the side that there are no automatic inclusions and spots have to be earnt.

Lamashtu I'm inclined to agree that dropping anyone will hurt what we did today. To me Dawes doesn't fit the football we played today, 2015 brand counter attack football, he fits 2010 brand compete at the boundary line and slow and steady defence football.

It's a really interesting point. You look at the way the competition is moving and the old fashioned notion of key forwards seems to have gone by the wayside. Clarkson and Hinkley have reinvented the game with goal scoring mids, and this is the direction Goodwin appears to be taking us (and I'm not complaining -- no Dees supporter with a sane head could, after the results today).

I know he's teared it up over the pre-season, but I struggle to see Dawes as much more than a lumbering pillar in the forward line. On his good days he's a beast; can lay a tackle, can kick a goal, can be ferocious. On an average day though, he has very little effect on the game.

The question I pose: who from today's squad would you have taken out and replaced with Dawes? For my money, not one person, unless you want the Suns to have won.

Ok Here's a thought, Dawes for Jamar and ruck Frost and Dawes alternately!

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Against Mumford? Bwahahaha good one.

do u guys actually want Jimmy Toumpas to make it as a player for the Dees? I agree Vince is a better pick for next week but Toump seems like the kinda guy that would benefit from feeling like he is apart of it and he should get better as his confidence grows. With that being said i have nfi how we are supposed to fit Dawes and Vince back in today was amazing!!

Of course I want the Toump to make it. One of his staunchest supporters. I agree that he should be left in and no changes made next week. But the argument is strong for Bernie and Dawesy too. Who do we leave out, if anyone? I see both sides of this challenge Roosy has to decide on, but he also needs to be consistent in his decisions of last year and the message he sends to the group. How many chances does he give Toumpas compared to JKH, Salem etc when they had off days last year (of this there is no disputing).

Of course I want the Toump to make it. One of his staunchest supporters. I agree that he should be left in and no changes made next week. But the argument is strong for Bernie and Dawesy too. Who do we leave out, if anyone? I see both sides of this challenge Roosy has to decide on, but he also needs to be consistent in his decisions of last year and the message he sends to the group. How many chances does he give Toumpas compared to JKH, Salem etc when they had off days last year (of this there is no disputing).

So whats this humble pie crap you keep on talking about with Toumpas, personally I thought he looked off the pace today, skinny and not hard enough at it...next week. Toumpas for Vince and Dawes for ??? I don't want to drop JKH because we always seem a better team when he plays.

Edited April 4, 201510 yr by Henrietta Lumbago

So whats this humble pie crap you keep on talking about with Toumpas, personally I housetops he looked off the pace today, skinny and not hard enough at it...next week. Toumpas for Vince and Dawes for ??? I don't want to drop JKH because we always seem a better team when he plays.

If it was baked and ready for today, you would have had the largest slice for hacking Viney. Don't worry about Toumpas, he will be very good. It will be ready for you then Henrietta. I'm making it good and tasty for you and your cronies luv.

If it was baked and ready for today, you would have had the largest slice for hacking Viney. Don't worry about Toumpas, he will be very good. It will be ready for you then Henrietta. I'm making it good and tasty for you and your cronies luv.

Dont lie, you have the wrong person, I have never hacked Viney. Just admit you have been wrong about Toumpas and never mention it again.

I think there are good reasons for including both Vince and Dawes, and for leaving both of them out too.

Personally I'd include Vince, probably at Toumpas' expense though it's hard these days to do anything memorable as the sub (if he hadn't made that clanger in the goalsquare he'd have just had a nothing game, not something you look back on and go 'that was bad'. But you'd still put him up as the first one to make way if VInce was to come in).

I'm not sure what the answer is with Dawes.

Whatever we end up doing, this is so much more interesting than trying to work out which mediocre performers from Casey are required to fill the holes in the senior side.

Lamashtu I'm inclined to agree that dropping anyone will hurt what we did today. To me Dawes doesn't fit the football we played today, 2015 brand counter attack football, he fits 2010 brand compete at the boundary line and slow and steady defence football.

But he is our number one tall forward. I know Hogan will go past, maybe quickly, but Dawes is 26, in his prime and will be there 5 years. How will Dawes adapt to the new plans?

Dawes is fitter and faster this year and on limited sightings he's holding his marks much better than last year. He'll provide the lead through CHF that creates the space for the other forwards. Hogan is already ahead of Dawes in a lot of ways. Any team worth their salt will send their number 1 key defender to Hogan and number 2 guy to Dawes unless he's in hot form, just as teams sent the number 1 to Frawley last year. However, Hogan isn't ready to command a forward line on his own every week, not one where the help is Frost (a defender having a go forward), Jack Watts and a debutant (vandenBerg).

I mean I'd love to believe that Frost, vandenberg and Watts stand up week in week out but I think it's realistic to expert Dawes' experience and size will be particularly handy in helping out Hogan. If Dawes' field kicking form is in reasonable standard (and he's a solid kick in form) then his defensive ability in such that he'll be very well suited to attacking style of play.

Dont lie, you have the wrong person, I have never hacked Viney. Just admit you have been wrong about Toumpas and never mention it again.

Not lying mate. You hack anyone if it suits your agenda. Don't worry, enough of the pie for you, PFA and SWYL.

Not lying mate. You hack anyone if it suits your agenda. Don't worry, enough of the pie for you, PFA and SWYL.

Sambo06, you agree that Toumpas is most likely going to be dropped for next week, after you have pumped him up all pre season, now accept that you are wrong and don't try to make me look bad by making up lies, that's gutless.

We all love the Toumpas as much as you, but it is what it is.

Edited April 4, 201510 yr by Henrietta Lumbago

Sambo06, you agree that Toumpas is most likely going to be dropped for next week, after you have pumped him up all pre season, now accept that you are wrong and don't try to make me look bad by making up lies, that's gutless.

We all love the Toumpas as much as you, but it is what it is.

Fair call that. Poor old Sambo doesn't have much of an idea. Toumpas will be lucky to get a VFL call up on that effort.

Fair call that. Poor old Sambo doesn't have much of an idea. Toumpas will be lucky to get a VFL call up on that effort.

Supporters like you and your mate Henrietta (gender issues?) are the ones who make this club the laughing stock it had become. It's the TRUE supporters who back the guys in. I'm not saying he should be dropped.

I just hope Vince is back before Adelaide at Adelaide oval (round 3)

Edited April 4, 201510 yr by Moneider96

Can anyone remember if Roos made a point of not changing the team after our 4 wins last year? Have a vague recollection that he left things as is, and stayed loyal to his players.

Dawes will come in. Dawes will/should make Hogan better.

Obviously Toumpas will make way for Vince, but it has to be out of JKH or Kent for me for Dawes. I;d keep Kent.

The versatile Frost won't be dropped after one game.

This could be the first time ever that we have to drop a form player from a winning side.

GWS is a smallish side like GC so on paper that implies that we can again go small and quick like them.

But the game is in Canberra which is not a massive ground, so we can lose an outside player because there won't be as much room for outside players.

Dawes is in the leadership group and I'd hate to be playing on him at a ground like Manuka, so mark him down as a certain inclusion.

But he won't be coming in for Frost because he is a mobile big - just look at all his tackles - and we have spent most of the pre-season grooming him to play as a back-up ruck and in case you forgot, we are playing his former side.

So In: Dawes. Out: Toumpas.

The question is whether Vince gets in, not Dawes.

Bernie may be lucky and replace either JKH or Kent because of where the game is being played, not because JKH or Kent did anything wrong. Brayshaw is another option, but it would be a tough call given he acquitted himself so well. Whoever it is will travel to Canberra as the 23rd player.

Spencer and Gawn are unlucky given they dominated for Casey but neither can break in this week, although I suspect Spencil will also make the trip with seniors as the 24th man.

And Matt Jones and Grimesy will be given game time this week - in the VFL.

This could be the first time ever that we have to drop a form player from a winning side.

GWS is a smallish side like GC so on paper that implies that we can again go small and quick like them.

But the game is in Canberra which is not a massive ground, so we can lose an outside player because there won't be as much room for outside players.

Dawes is in the leadership group and I'd hate to be playing on him at a ground like Manuka, so mark him down as a certain inclusion.

But he won't be coming in for Frost because he is a mobile big - just look at all his tackles - and we have spent most of the pre-season grooming him to play as a back-up ruck and in case you forgot, we are playing his former side.

So In: Dawes. Out: Toumpas.

The question is whether Vince gets in, not Dawes.

Bernie may be lucky and replace either JKH or Kent because of where the game is being played, not because JKH or Kent did anything wrong. Brayshaw is another option, but it would be a tough call given he acquitted himself so well. Whoever it is will travel to Canberra as the 23rd player.

Spencer and Gawn are unlucky given they dominated for Casey but neither can break in this week, although I suspect Spencil will also make the trip with seniors as the 24th man.

And Matt Jones and Grimesy will be given game time this week - in the VFL.

I wouldn't play Vince, not against GWS coming off a shoulder. Treloar and Ward are arguably the hardest 2 blokes in the league. We'll need to match GWS for strength and toughness, while tagging Griffon - this will cut off their ability to execute. I don't think it will be a game to rush into any new mids, GWS have one of the best midfields in the comp. I hope we see Vandenberg spend more time in the midfield against GWS, we'll need some big bodies around the ball. I'd like to see us play Dawes, Hogan - and play Watts (or Hogan) out of the square. This will stretch their defense. JKH and Garlett will complete a versatile forward line. Providing we can win the midfield battle, we will be too much for them going forward.

Edited April 4, 201510 yr by KingDingAling

I wouldn't play Vince, not against GWS coming off a shoulder. Treloar and Ward are arguably the hardest 2 blokes in the league. We'll need to match GWS for strength and toughness, while tagging Griffon - this will cut off their ability to execute. I don't think it will be a game to rush into any new mids, GWS have one of the best midfields in the comp. I hope we see Vandenberg spend more time in the midfield against GWS, we'll need some big bodies around the ball. I'd like to see us play Dawes, Hogan - and play Watts (or Hogan) out of the square. This will stretch their defense. JKH and Garlett will complete a versatile forward line. Providing we can win the midfield battle, we will be too much for them going forward.

Vince can take Brayshaw's role that was a lot of half forward and wing as well as some midfield time. Brayshaw then becomes the sub. Jones, Tyson, Viney, Crossy still do most of the centre square minutes. In fact Vince can even pinch hit at half back and Lumumba can get around the ball a bit more as well.

Thanks for reminding me of how much talent GWS have. They should dispose of St Kilda easily tomorrow.

Swap Toump for Vince.Besides that,if it ain't broken,don't fix it.

Cross is a hack- no better than Mckenzie.

There I said it.

One of the worst posts I've seen. Hang your head.

Vince is a straight swap for Toump.

How to squeeze Dawes in is the (nice) problem. Possibly JKH, but I'm not overly comfortable with it.

Cross is a hack- no better than Mckenzie.

There I said it.

Watch the game again Biffhead.

Vince for Toumpas a no brainer - after that what a beautiful problem to have.

Cross a hack - what game were you at Biff. 110% every time - I know he is slowing down but he still gets the job done very reliably consistently.