On 18/08/2015 at 03:10, mo64 said:

Pretty good summation. My question marks would be:

Garland - As a RFA, if there's interest from other clubs, there's no way he'd accept a 1 year deal. I hope he goes.

Riley/Michie - Both play a similar role so I'd only re-sign 1 of them, and retain M. Jones.

Hunt - Worth another year of development, and a preferable option than pick 65/85.

Our record of trading for fringe players from other clubs (Riley, Michie, Newton) hasn't borne any fruit to date, though I've still got hopes for Newton. Conversely, our rookie list selections over the past 2 years have been more promising, so we may go down this path.

how can you say/know it hasn't born any fruit??? just because those players haven't burnt the Elliot grandstand down, doesn't mean they're inclusion hasn't aided the club.

and Pedo has helped us as well. just as our fringe players have aided other clubs. depth & change are both worth their while.

Terlich (paid out), Bail. Riley and McKenzie are the players out in the first 'rinse' as i see it.

Jamar, Howe and Dawes are three players who are also potential movers for various reasons. Howe is lining up to be the overrated exiting Demon of 2015, in the proud Johnstone/Scully/Sylvia/Frawley tradition.

So I'm anticipating 6 players out, which is enough for one off-season with an allegedly weak draft. That gives Grimes and Garland one more year to heal their scars, or at worst be depth behind Salem and Junior.

Hopefully this all translates into 4 draft picks (including one boosted by the Howe trade) and 2 free agents coming in.

That's where things really get complex.

  On 24/08/2015 at 10:36, Little Goffy said:

Terlich (paid out), Bail. Riley and McKenzie are the players out in the first 'rinse' as i see it.

Jamar, Howe and Dawes are three players who are also potential movers for various reasons. Howe is lining up to be the overrated exiting Demon of 2015, in the proud Johnstone/Scully/Sylvia/Frawley tradition.

So I'm anticipating 6 players out, which is enough for one off-season with an allegedly weak draft. That gives Grimes and Garland one more year to heal their scars, or at worst be depth behind Salem and Junior.

Hopefully this all translates into 4 draft picks (including one boosted by the Howe trade) and 2 free agents coming in.

That's where things really get complex.

Heal their scars....?

Roos

Goodwin

McCartney

Elite Management (or whatever they are bloody called)

Bonding sessions

Statement games

Lines in the sand

It's over, time to move on. The longer we carry these types the longer we serve up crap like yesterday.

We got beaten by a team that didn't want to win, it doesn't get any worse.

The players don't want to make a statement, so hopefully the coaches do. I want big names on the trade table, as I've mentioned earlier wouldn't be too fussed on what we get its all about freeing up cap space.

Article in todays HUN about Melbourne trying to recruit Tom Lynch.

Further in it says Melbourne is adamant it will not over pay Howe.

List Chief Todd Viney said the club " cannot be foolish about how we spend our money"

"we need to be really disciplined the way we manage our list , so Jeremy is an important player for us, but within the constraints of the model we have got " Viney said.

" We will pay him what we think he is worth and hopefully he is going to be happy with that along with ( how) all the Geelong and Hawthorn players have done".

If there was any doubt Howe will not be at the MFC next year that settles it for me.

I read between the lines that Howe wants more than the MFC thinks he is worth.

Big signal to the fans IMO from Viney and the club.

  On 25/08/2015 at 00:38, old dee said:

If there was any doubt Howe will not be at the MFC next year that settles it for me.

I read between the lines that Howe wants more than the MFC thinks he is worth.

Big signal to the fans IMO from Viney and the club.

I agree and I am glad. Howe is average at best.

Have we forgotten Trengove nearly out the door to Richmond last year. That caught everyone off guard, we approached Prestia and got knocked back now we've approached Lynch. The coaches aren't stupid, they are trying(unlike half the players) but we're competing with 17 other clubs.

  On 09/01/2015 at 05:16, rpfc said:

2019

Jones 27,

2018

Brayshaw 19, Petracca 19, Gawn 23,

2017

Dunn 27, Hogan 20, Viney 20, Lumumba 28, Kennedy-Harris20, Salem 19, Vandenberg 23,

2016

Trengove 22, Dawes 26, Grimes 25 (RFA), Watts 24 (RFA), Vince 29, Tyson* 21, Kent 21, M Jones 27, Spencer 25 (UFA), T McDonald 22, Terlich 25, Jetta 25, Garlett 25, Stretch 18, Frost 21, Newton 22, Neal-Bullen 19, O McDonald 19

2015

Jamar 31 (UFA), Garland 26 (RFA), McKenzie 24, Howe 24, Fitzpatrick 23, Toumpas 21, Pedersen 28, Hunt 19, Cross 32, Bail 26, Riley 23, Michie 23, Harmes ® 19, King ® 19, White ® 18

OUT: Cross (Ret.)

INS: Vandenberg (Upgraded), ND5, ND27, ND47, ND66, ND86, ND100

Open Spots - PL: 0 RL: 1

* = Require confirmation...

Those underlined are player I think are the top 11 paid players; RFA is determined by players being among these 11 (obviously this will be wrong but hopefully indicative).

Ages are from the 1st April 2015 - an arbitrary date fit for a fool...

And so it begins...

Cross retirement updated.

Thank you for the effort you put in on this subject rpfc.

I would say from the uncontracted list

Jamar, McKenzie, Howe, Bail, Riley, Howe will be gone by end of trading week. It wouldn't surprise me to see Garland go as well, Hunt might get a rookie downgrade replaced by Harmes. King and White get another year

I think Fitzpatrick gets another year only because we really don't have many true tall players as back up keys.

8 off senior list 2 rookie upgrades, 6 spots to fill plus a rookie. 3-4 at draft day 2-3 through trade week

Can people in the know post details of player contracts - I will edit the OP.

2020

2019 N Jones

2018 Gawn, Brayshaw, Petracca

2017 Hogan, Dunn, Viney, Lumumba, Kennedy-Harris, Salem, Vandenberg

2016 M Jones, Terlich, Trengove, Dawes, Grimes (RFA), Watts (RFA), Vince, Tyson, Kent, Spencer (UFA), T McDonald, Jetta, Garlett, Stretch, Frost, Newton, Neal-Bullen, O McDonald

2015 Cross, McKenzie, Bail, Riley, Jamar (FA), Fitzpatrick, Pederson, Garland (RFA), Howe, Toumpas, Hunt, Michie, Harmes ®, King ®, White ®

Credit: RPFC's post referred to in the post below.

Just for you 'Mono'! : Post #309 on this thread -

http://demonland.com/forums/index.php?/topic/37822-2015-contracts-thread/page-13#entry1150195 courtesy of 'rpfc'.

He has also included player age and FA status.

Well this is awkward...

Retire -

Jamar

Cross

Delist/payout -

Bail

Riley

Terlich

McKenzie

Trade - (don't be fussy just get it done, the first 4 are forever stained whilst at this club)

Howe

Garland

Watts

Grimes

Dawes (would love him gone but think he'll survive)

Toumpas (one year under Neeld was not his undoing, put him up and see if there's any interest)

Give Michie one year(I think 11/12 is the max). All going well Michie/Newton/M Jones will play most of next year at Casey and be off the list in twelve months.

For those that would say your keeping Michie over Toumpas, when we're done with Michie its over for him. If we keep Toump next year and he still gets his game high 7 touches we get nothing for him as well. This year we might get something. Will Toumpas come good....who bloody knows. A full year under McCartney and he's gone backwards if anything.

3 years I have been doing this kind of Contracts thread and never been pinned, Mono tries it once and it's pinned...

  On 05/09/2015 at 12:51, rpfc said:

3 years I have been doing this kind of Contracts thread and never been pinned, Mono tries it once and it's pinned...

If 'Mono' agrees we should close this thread.

Then the mods can pin your excellent, longstanding thread

I'm sorta with rpfc pb this. His thread has been a gold mine and he updates regularly with references!

  On 05/09/2015 at 13:10, Lucifer said:

If 'Mono' agrees we should close this thread.

Then the mods can pin your excellent, longstanding thread

OK with me. I seem to remember a pinned thread in years passed, didn't see one this year, so I acted.

Happy to have rpfc own it.

  On 05/09/2015 at 12:51, rpfc said:

3 years I have been doing this kind of Contracts thread and never been pinned, Mono tries it once and it's pinned...

I did ask for it to be pinned....maybe that was the trick.

Stay tuned.

Sounds like Crossy will take a few weeks to let the dust settle before deciding on whether to continue at the MFC under a new role. Really hope we sold him the opportunity to stick around with our victory today. The group clearly love him to bits.

  On 06/09/2015 at 13:44, Mono said:

I did ask for it to be pinned....maybe that was the trick.

Stay tuned.

I did mention it a few years ago.

And it's all good - I was just going for a laugh and to use that GIF - Jubal Early in the last ep of Firefly - great show.

Pinned.

  On 07/09/2015 at 00:16, H_T said:

Pinned.

Ah, pressure is on now (hyperventilating).

I really just took 'offence' so I could use the GIF, I swear...

The GIF!!

  On 18/06/2015 at 13:33, Al said:

The end of next year hopefully marks the end of the dead wood.

Any chance Nasher/WJ of pinning this thread? As we enter the back half of the season I think this will be in high demand.

Cheers.

I asked a while back....

One of my favourite threads.