On 12/11/2014 at 20:18, ChaserJ said:

Brett Anderson thinks Petracca's gone from around 90% in to around a 55% chance to go pick 1, with McCartin the main contender:

http://www.sen.com.au/news/afl-draft-peter-wright-could-fall-to-the-cats

please let this be true

Come on Saints, take McCartin

DO IT

  On 12/11/2014 at 21:12, chook fowler said:

Petracca and Brayshaw would be a dream result

Brayshaw & Duggan is my dream! Carn the Dees!

  On 12/11/2014 at 22:03, Bring-Back-Powell said:

Given I have no confidence in the club selecting top 10 draft picks, I'd have to say Frawley.

He was the only player on our list capable of containing a Hawkins, Franklin or Roughead to an extent.

His absense down back will hurt us greatly.

He was... until we got Frost.

I think he'll slot straight in as a KPD who can stay with the mobile "gorillas"

  On 13/11/2014 at 00:34, Dee tention said:

Brayshaw & Duggan is my dream! Carn the Dees!

Duggan!

When asked to name a 'natural' midfielder (not Lever) in contention for pick 3, and ended up putting Duggan's name into the mix, it forced me to seriously consider the prospect of McCartin being the best option at pick 3...

I don't think Duggan has much chance of being anything more exceptional than a Jordan Russell type player.

Vanilla.

  On 13/11/2014 at 00:58, Machsy said:

Duggan!

When asked to name a 'natural' midfielder (not Lever) in contention for pick 3, and ended up putting Duggan's name into the mix, it forced me to seriously consider the prospect of McCartin being the best option at pick 3...

I don't think Duggan has much chance of being anything more exceptional than a Jordan Russell type player.

Vanilla.

Gee you love to cr@p on everyone's opinion don't you...

Lots of people have said to me we got overcompensated for Frawley.

I answer by saying at the beginning of 2014 we had Clark at FF and Frawley at FB. We've how got Lumumba and pick 3.

Tell me we're lucky. I'd take Frawley any day over pick 3. At some point we've got to get over the fetish of early picks and actually get blokes on the park that can play competitive AFL footy.

Losing Frawley and starting again shytes me.

  On 13/11/2014 at 01:13, Baghdad Bob said:

Lots of people have said to me we got overcompensated for Frawley.

I answer by saying at the beginning of 2014 we had Clark at FF and Frawley at FB. We've how got Lumumba and pick 3.

Tell me we're lucky. I'd take Frawley any day over pick 3. At some point we've got to get over the fetish of early picks and actually get blokes on the park that can play competitive AFL footy.

Losing Frawley and starting again shytes me.

A player who has managed very little football in the last 2 years, with huge question marks over his future, and a fb with questionable decision making, and a lack of run and carry with 5 or so years of footy left

And now lumumba, a line breaking premiership experienced former AA, top 5 b n f, played finals 8 out of 9 years, and pick 3, the opportunity to select a potential 12 year player who is at this stage the elite of their age bracket.

I'll take the 2nd option every day of the week, and twice on Sundays.

  On 13/11/2014 at 01:42, tappysquads said:

A player who has managed very little football in the last 2 years, with huge question marks over his future, and a fb with questionable decision making, and a lack of run and carry with 5 or so years of footy left

And now lumumba, a line breaking premiership experienced former AA, top 5 b n f, played finals 8 out of 9 years, and pick 3, the opportunity to select a potential 12 year player who is at this stage the elite of their age bracket.

I'll take the 2nd option every day of the week, and twice on Sundays.

Agree completely Tappy!!

  On 13/11/2014 at 00:58, Machsy said:

Duggan!

When asked to name a 'natural' midfielder (not Lever) in contention for pick 3, and ended up putting Duggan's name into the mix, it forced me to seriously consider the prospect of McCartin being the best option at pick 3...

I don't think Duggan has much chance of being anything more exceptional than a Jordan Russell type player.

Vanilla.

Duggan will succeed! And will do it well.

He will be the steal of the draft!

We are all entitled to an opinion. But I'm sure you won't only eat your words... But choke on them!

  On 13/11/2014 at 01:42, tappysquads said:

A player who has managed very little football in the last 2 years, with huge question marks over his future, and a fb with questionable decision making, and a lack of run and carry with 5 or so years of footy left

And now lumumba, a line breaking premiership experienced former AA, top 5 b n f, played finals 8 out of 9 years, and pick 3, the opportunity to select a potential 12 year player who is at this stage the elite of their age bracket.

I'll take the 2nd option every day of the week, and twice on Sundays.

Demonland groupthink.

Frawley can't play.

It just strikes me as strange that for a player not many here rate the brains trust of the two best clubs over the last 10 years or so fought for his services.

Heavens are they dumb or what.

  On 13/11/2014 at 03:16, Baghdad Bob said:

Demonland groupthink.

Frawley can't play.

It just strikes me as strange that for a player not many here rate the brains trust of the two best clubs over the last 10 years or so fought for his services.

Heavens are they dumb or what.

You better add Freo to that list as well.

  On 13/11/2014 at 03:16, Baghdad Bob said:

Demonland groupthink.

Frawley can't play.

It just strikes me as strange that for a player not many here rate the brains trust of the two best clubs over the last 10 years or so fought for his services.

Heavens are they dumb or what.

Agree with you 'Bob', he's so bad. Will be a very good player at the Hawks.

  On 13/11/2014 at 03:42, rjay said:

Agree with you 'Bob', he's so bad. Will be a very good player at the Hawks.

He will be but I will reserve judgement on whether his exit was a good or bad thing for us till 2016 at least.

It's also very dependent on how the Frost trade works out.

Jayden Laverde, is absolute standout for me, just ticks all the boxes, of the modern big midfield , great mark too, and quick and tall and strong. Classic footballer. Laverde and Mccartin for me. If St Kiilda don't take Petracca, then he overrides all other considerations, then would take Petracca and Wright, assuming McCartin goes to saints.

I see Laverde as much more upside and growth potential compared to Brayshaw, who to me lacks the x factor.

  On 13/11/2014 at 03:46, jabberwocky said:

He will be but I will reserve judgement on whether his exit was a good or bad thing for us till 2016.

It's also very dependent on how the Frost trade works out.

My point is that many are writing Frawley off as if he is just an average player at best, he's much better than that.

Whether things work out better for us or not, as you say we will find out down the track.

  On 13/11/2014 at 03:16, Baghdad Bob said:

Demonland groupthink.

Frawley can't play.

It just strikes me as strange that for a player not many here rate the brains trust of the two best clubs over the last 10 years or so fought for his services.

Heavens are they dumb or what.

Exactly what is it that makes frawley much better than average? His foot skills are not great, his creativity is poor, not a big intercept player, he doesn't look to break the lines. His strength lies in being strong, and spoiling. But so often in the modern game players receive delivery on explosive leads which can be unstoppable on a lot of occasions. So I see a key defenders role as minimising his opponents impact, and damaging him back the other way. At best Frawley will receive the ball , go back and kick long over his mark..... That's is 80's football. His work rate over the last two years offensively is embarrassing.

Also the fact that we are not going to be in any sort of a premiership window over the next 5 years leaves me very happy to cash in and bring in a player whose role can have greater impact on the performance than a full back (eg mid/fwd)

Also, as I said earlier, a key full back may be involved in defensive contests 10-15 times a game. At least 5 of those they will have no influence on, as pressure up the ground is the only thing that can stop a lace out pass. Plus offensively Frawley offered very very little that would damage an opposition as far as run or creativity from the def 50 in concerned. Without stats, so only opinion, I would guess Frawleys average involvement in scoring chains would be very low. A quality mid would have closer to 50 opportunities to influence a game, and for a bottum club like melbourne could have much greater impact.

Just my opinions, happy to be shot down, but I am more than happy to trade 26yr old frawley for 18yr old mccartin or brayshaw.

  On 13/11/2014 at 01:13, Baghdad Bob said:

Lots of people have said to me we got overcompensated for Frawley.

I answer by saying at the beginning of 2014 we had Clark at FF and Frawley at FB. We've how got Lumumba and pick 3.

Tell me we're lucky. I'd take Frawley any day over pick 3. At some point we've got to get over the fetish of early picks and actually get blokes on the park that can play competitive AFL footy.

Losing Frawley and starting again shytes me.

  On 13/11/2014 at 03:16, Baghdad Bob said:

Demonland groupthink.

Frawley can't play.

It just strikes me as strange that for a player not many here rate the brains trust of the two best clubs over the last 10 years or so fought for his services.

Heavens are they dumb or what.

I both agree and disagree.

I agree that Frawley is a very good player and there many posters here who cannot see it for some unfathomable reason. He's a very good lock down defender and he provides some very good rebound for a player of his type. He will do an excellent job at Hawthorn, probably even more than he has for us given the class that he'll have around him. I also think that, overall, we have done very poorly to get 3 and Lumumba for Clark and Frawley, based on where we were 2 years ago.

The bit that I don't necessarily agree with is whether we would be better off with Frawley, based on where we are now. Frawley is an exceptional player, but the role he plays is not super important for us at the moment. Pick 3 may give us more improvement than a mature shut down defender would. Our resources are probably better invested in positions that have more impact on games, such as running players or key forwards. I think that this is especially the case now that more number are getting back to help in defence, rendering the shut down tall defender a luxury when you get to the top of the tree rather than a key plank that helps you rise from the depths.

That said, I would have preferred to turn pick 3 into a mature player.

I'm officially going on the record to say the following players will be busts:

Brayshaw (a year older than most of his TAC cup teammates who didn't have the distractions of yr 12 last year, will also be found out, I fear he could be the biggest bust of the whole draft if he goes high)

Petracca (a man child that I think will be found out playing with real men)

Laverde (not sure why, call it gut feel)

Wright (not competitive enough)

McCartin (dunno, the diabetes thing maybe an issue)

Lever (already done knee, risky proposition)

As picks 2 & 3 are likely to come out of this crop, I think our trend of dud high picks will continue this year. Bring on picks 40 and 53 though!

  On 13/11/2014 at 01:11, Deemotivated said:

Gee you love to cr@p on everyone's opinion don't you...

Sorry to upset you, princess, but having an alternate opinion and one that is differing to the norm, is not "crapping on everyone's opinion"

Don't be afraid to stop being a sheep at some stage.

  On 13/11/2014 at 04:51, leucopogon said:

I'm officially going on the record to say the following players will be busts:

Brayshaw (a year older than most of his TAC cup teammates who didn't have the distractions of yr 12 last year, will also be found out, I fear he could be the biggest bust of the whole draft if he goes high)

Petracca (a man child that I think will be found out playing with real men)

Laverde (not sure why, call it gut feel)

Wright (not competitive enough)

McCartin (dunno, the diabetes thing maybe an issue)

Lever (already done knee, risky proposition)

As picks 2 & 3 are likely to come out of this crop, I think our trend of dud high picks will continue this year. Bring on picks 40 and 53 though!

Glass half full kinda guy?

  On 13/11/2014 at 03:16, Baghdad Bob said:

Demonland groupthink.

Frawley can't play.

It just strikes me as strange that for a player not many here rate the brains trust of the two best clubs over the last 10 years or so fought for his services.

Heavens are they dumb or what.

I think Frawley can be a great player, just not at our club, and pick 3 gives us the ability to work on rebuilding the midfield, where we need to inject talent.

Paul Roos proved that our backline can function just fine without Frawley, as good as he is.

Haha Machsy you're hilarious.. A princess and a sheep.. How will I ever get over that barrage of put downs.

Having an alternate opinion is one thing, having an alternate opinion on every subject is just you being a bell end.

  On 13/11/2014 at 04:51, leucopogon said:

I'm officially going on the record to say the following players will be busts:

Brayshaw (a year older than most of his TAC cup teammates who didn't have the distractions of yr 12 last year, will also be found out, I fear he could be the biggest bust of the whole draft if he goes high)

Petracca (a man child that I think will be found out playing with real men)

Laverde (not sure why, call it gut feel)

Wright (not competitive enough)

McCartin (dunno, the diabetes thing maybe an issue)

Lever (already done knee, risky proposition)

As picks 2 & 3 are likely to come out of this crop, I think our trend of dud high picks will continue this year. Bring on picks 40 and 53 though!

LOL

There will undoubtedly be busts, there are every year. And it may even be a draft that doesn't produce any outright superstars. But it sounds like you're being different for the sake of being different!

  On 13/11/2014 at 03:58, rjay said:

My point is that many are writing Frawley off as if he is just an average player at best, he's much better than that.

Whether things work out better for us or not, as you say we will find out down the track.

I think Frawley is a good player but IMO the deal can work out for both sides. He will be good in the Hawks side but he is not a leader like we need and I don't think he would have improved on what we have seen at Melbourne.

We have been given the opportunity to make the most of a good deal it's up to us now to get it right

  On 13/11/2014 at 04:51, leucopogon said:

I'm officially going on the record to say the following players will be busts:

Brayshaw (a year older than most of his TAC cup teammates who didn't have the distractions of yr 12 last year, will also be found out, I fear he could be the biggest bust of the whole draft if he goes high)

Petracca (a man child that I think will be found out playing with real men)

Laverde (not sure why, call it gut feel)

Wright (not competitive enough)

McCartin (dunno, the diabetes thing maybe an issue)

Lever (already done knee, risky proposition)

As picks 2 & 3 are likely to come out of this crop, I think our trend of dud high picks will continue this year. Bring on picks 40 and 53 though!

With Bemused look on my face,

So tell me who do we pick then??