A saints fan said to me today that they will be taking Petracca and he heard we will take Brayshaw and Lever

2 for 4 & 7 would be more enticing from our end to improve the odds that Brayshaw is still available. Is he likely to slide to 6?

Don't Forget, we still have pick 3

A saints fan said to me today that they will be taking Petracca and he heard we will take Brayshaw and Lever

They will almost certainly not have pick 1, come this time tomorrow.

Can't even describe in words how deflated I feel about this. After 3 months of Roos talking about "drastic" changes and a total "list overhaul" to eradicate what he described as a scarred group mindset... and we've traded out one player. At their behest. And he was our best forward.

In no universe is this a good result for us if we laughably want to appear as an "attractive" option next year for free agents, if that is indeed the master plan that Mahoney mentioned. We are screaming out for midfield depth and we haven't been able to trade in a single midfielder.

Talk about promising draftees all you like, but they won't be AFL level midfielders until long after Roos walks out the door.

Completely agree. Why not at least have a crack at toby greene with a pick or a player?

Why are we suddenly talking about finishing last? Do we think there's no scope for improvement in our existing players? Very few clubs turn over their lists in one off season, and yet clubs move up and down the ladder all the time.

FFS guys, get a grip.

U watch imo next season we will be either last or second last again with the saints and dogs possibly gws going ahead of us.

Very very frustrating.

They are already ahead of us.

Edited October 15, 201411 yr by ManDee

I'm actually more [censored] off now than at the end of the season.

BTW where's the COACH/COACHES??

A saints fan said to me today that they will be taking Petracca and he heard we will take Brayshaw and Lever

They will almost certainly not have pick 1, come this time tomorrow.

Not that it matters anyway. Petracca will be gone before we pick, regardless

I'm actually more pissed off now than at the end of the season.

BTW where's the COACH/COACHES??

lol

You're working yourself up in to anger.

They are already ahead of us.

6 wins vs 4, and they've just gotten a star in Griffen and will get the best midfielder in the draft. They'll still have pick 6 or 7 for yet another depth midfielder as well.

Yep, they've knocked this out of the park. The AFL should be ashamed of the concessions they were given at their inception. They can literally replenish faster than they are losing players.

Why are we suddenly talking about finishing last? Do we think there's no scope for improvement in our existing players? Very few clubs turn over their lists in one off season, and yet clubs move up and down the ladder all the time.

FFS guys, get a grip.

C'mon Naasher, we were % of last this season. You think anybody who thinks we are a good chance to finish last needs to get a grip ? Its reality mate, we are a good chance to finish last, who exactly are we going to leapfrog ?

lol

You're working yourself up in to anger.

I'm slightly past anger tbh nasher.

That gives GWS picks 4, 6 & 7.

With Boyd gone, and if they try to trade to get pick 1, that muddies the water on if they would take Petracca, given the only decent tall forward they now have is Cameron.

Does this bode well for us in getting Petracca at pick 2?

could be a late night tonight for some clubs, Re picks.

Why are we suddenly talking about finishing last? Do we think there's no scope for improvement in our existing players? Very few clubs turn over their lists in one off season, and yet clubs move up and down the ladder all the time.

FFS guys, get a grip.

we won't finish last...we will finish second last...after St kilda...

The Boyd trade could create a massive ripple effect.

We were apparently in talks early around GWS trading for pick 1 from St Kilda.

Our involvement was to procure something from GWS in order to give Saints a free run at McCartin.

The Boyd trade really opens up the conversation again.

Sure GWS want Petracca, but would imagine we pick 3 may be of interest if they want someone like Peter Wright to be an instant tall replacement for Boyd. We agree to take Brayshaw, GWS agree not to select McCartin, there could yet be a basis for a trade for someone like Shiel.

If GWS trade for pick 1, option 34 will be inacted and we'll offload pick 3 in a firesale.

Have to.

That would be great and would top off an exceptional trade period to boot.

Unbelievable.

Say goodbye to Petracca.

GWS have 4, 6 and 7. They will get pick 1.

What a great year to have 1.

Dogs fans will be in heaven. Their first pick and a 29 year old great player with a back problem, for last year's number 1 and the KPF they have been screaming out for.

They also have a great bunch of kids.

Its not that good of a year to have pick 1

Petracca is better than the rest of the draft but hes no stand out #1

C'mon Naasher, we were % of last this season. You think anybody who thinks we are a good chance to finish last needs to get a grip ? Its reality mate, we are a good chance to finish last, who exactly are we going to leapfrog ?

DN9, going by this logic, *every* year, the team that finishes last is odds on to finish last the next year. If you're going to pencil us in for last this year, why stop there? Pencil us in for last every year for the rest of our lives.

I don't know who we're going to leapfrog. We should improve, and some teams will get worse. It happens every year. Predictions of finishing last this far out make the assumption that everything will remain static - that's just not how it works.

I wonder who Adelaide wanted at pick 8? I wonder whether they would want to trade up to pick 3 given the new lie-of-the-land post the Boyd deal and the subsequent draft pick changes by GWS StK. Adel give us pick 8 and a B++ potential A player in return for 3.

I hope our team were not so focused on landing the proven star that we lost sight of other options.

Why are we suddenly talking about finishing last? Do we think there's no scope for improvement in our existing players? Very few clubs turn over their lists in one off season, and yet clubs move up and down the ladder all the time.

FFS guys, get a grip.

Nash, it's not like we are the only team who has players who are going to improve.

For every iota of improvement from the likes of Tyson, Salem, Viney etc , teams like the Dogs match it with players such as Liberatore, Macrae, Bontempelli, Hrovat and Stringer who will also benefit from another year of development.

GWS have Griffin coming in, in addition to a wealth of talent that too will benefit from another preseason. Brisbane... Well they've knocked this trade period out of the park, and are far better than us.

I see St Kilda as the only team we will likely finish above next season - A sentiment that will be shared, reasonably, by Melbourne supporters and the general football public alike.

It's not up to the rival club if you can convince the player to leave. This trade period is/ was the opportunity to poach a big fish. We (should) have the cap space to bring in any player and we have the picks to satisfy any club in a trade.

Ok name the BIG FISH we missed out on?

Exactly how i feel. There is 24 hours to go (the magical Wednesday 3pm deadline being a mirage).

However if we go to the draft with 2 and 3 i'll re-calibrate my thinking and dream about finally landing a genuine A grader (or even 2- be still my beating heart!). If roos wants Brayshaw he's got him!

quite literally, 24 hours right thru the night IMO.

We never had any real claim on Petracca.

The ramifications for GWS are quite large.

Tom Boyd is the first kid they wanted to keep that they have lost. Other Vic clubs will well and truly see that the other kids are gettable.

The borders of Western Sydney are at serious risk.

DN9, going by this logic, *every* year, the team that finishes last is odds on to finish last the next year. If you're going to pencil us in for last this year, why stop there? Pencil us in for last every year for the rest of our lives.

I don't know who we're going to leapfrog. We should improve, and some teams will get worse. It happens every year. Predictions of finishing last this far out make the assumption that everything will remain static - that's just not how it works.

Nobody said we were definately going to finish last, just that we are a chance.

"If you're going to pencil us in for last this year, why stop there? Pencil us in for last every year for the rest of our lives."

What does this even mean ? We are talking about next season only, rediculous statement

Nash, it's not like we are the only team who has players who are going to improve.

For every iota of improvement from the likes of Tyson, Salem, Viney etc , teams like the Dogs match it with players such as Liberatore, Macrae, Bontempelli, Hrovat and Stringer who will also benefit from another year of development.

GWS have Griffin coming in, in addition to a wealth of talent that too will benefit from another preseason. Brisbane... Well they've knocked this trade period out of the park, and are far better than us.

I see St Kilda as the only team we will likely finish above next season - A sentiment that will be shared, reasonably, by Melbourne supporters and the general football public alike.

Yes, I get that other teams will improve. Can you explain to me, why that isn't what happens every single year then? How come the ladder doesn't end up the same every year?