I don't agree with it. Dustin Martin would probably have trouble spelling his own name, yet is one of the best players in the league. He is just one example. I feel like recruiters are trying a bit too hard these days. Could we make their jobs a lot easier by raising the draft age to 20?

Whilst I don't hold great store in the testing as these kids ( in the main) are far from matured, the testing would not be about if they were able to spell their names or not. It would be more about goals, aspirations and expectations ( expectations both from the players perspective and the club). The questions would try and tease out how much fire there is in the belly's and the lengths they will go to succeed. Imagine asking those sorts of questions to 18 year olds ! Tom Scully was meant to be the flag bearer for what you wanted from a player and would have been borne out by his test. Fanatical desire to succeed, fanatical desire to better himself and his junior years were very focused on him and his teams succeeding. He was a leader during his junior years. He would have ticked every box. Hence the reason I place little faith in these tests.

The problem with standardised testing is that it identifies standard qualities but rarely the exceptional and unique attributes that might make a champion.

Would Robbie Flower have been identified as a champion? Or Jim Stynes? Or Ablett Snr?

How do you test a young man for their burning need to succeed and prove themselves?

We're playing in areas of consciousness that is revealed by wise and experienced heads following their intuition, rather than a bunch of statisticians with testing devices trying to come up with the magic formulae.

Petracca appears to have the natural talent plus hunger and aggression to do very well.

Fingers crossed.

You can screen test all you like but in 20 years of footy the best players I have played with or against were mostly wild guys. Lacking that self preservation most of us have, aggressive, determined, competitive. Wether role model/leaders or not, a lot of these personalities would be getting weeded out of the system now days.

I have no doubt they do.

wonder what the beep test results are for accountancy grads ????

Not really interested in getting into a discussion around this however I think it is worth noting that stamina probably would not form part of a key selection criteria for an accountancy grad whereas leadership qualities probably would for an AFL prospect.

Anyway it all depends upon if they have the data that is a good indicator of future behaviour.

Not really interested in getting into a discussion around this however I think it is worth noting that stamina probably would not form part of a key selection criteria for an accountancy grad whereas leadership qualities probably would for an AFL prospect.

Anyway it all depends upon if they have the data that is a good indicator of future behaviour.

Leadership is a lot of crap as a criteria as to whether a player is a player....this is the great fallacy. Youre trying to draft players.. Leaders will show themselves in due course.

Thankyou for highlighting this absolute area of rubbish

Leadership is a lot of crap as a criteria as to whether a player is a player....this is the great fallacy. Youre trying to draft players.. Leaders will show themselves in due course.

Thankyou for highlighting this absolute area of rubbish

Ok. Umm right.

Glad I could help.

I picked this

Ok. Umm right.

Glad I could help.

So you put 'leadership" at the head of the list of criteria upon which you select players ? Id put it at about 99% irrelevant

How many kings or queens on a Chess Board ? I each...everyone else is a role player. Thats a footy team...a bunch of role players. Leaders will naturally rise to the surface ( or occasion )

Why youd even bother considering that at drafting when you have no real idea whether a lot of these kids can even step up is beyond me.

again thanks

I picked this

No you didn't.

Roos has as good as confirmed on the radio this evening (3AW) that we will be drafting Brayshaw and Petracca tomorrow. He made this claim on the basis that the interviewers were adamant that McCartin would be picked by St. Kilda. A decent midfield at last? Now all we need is to focus on another tall that might slip through to pick 40 and work in with Hogan, Dawes et al!

No you didn't.

Yes I did. When I selected him as my avatar.

Mind you I also selected dangermouse, lever and a blow up demon (thanks supermarcado).

If we got Petracca and Brayshaw in this draft...i tell you what...i would...just...arrrrgggghhhhhhh

Just caught up with this thread.

You are a seriously sick fu ck Song.

Keep up the good work!!

Assuming we get Christian Petracca, is it a good trade for Chip Frawley?

So you put 'leadership" at the head of the list of criteria upon which you select players ? Id put it at about 99% irrelevant

How many kings or queens on a Chess Board ? I each...everyone else is a role player. Thats a footy team...a bunch of role players. Leaders will naturally rise to the surface ( or occasion )

Why youd even bother considering that at drafting when you have no real idea whether a lot of these kids can even step up is beyond me.

again thanks

I really cant see where I put leadership at the head of the list of criteria (whatever that means)

Anyway the chess board analogy nailed it for me. No need to investigate a potential players personal traits. Every team has a king and a queen. That's the rules.

BTW the King is there to be protected, not really the Michael Voss of the chess board.

Assuming we get Christian Petracca, is it a good trade for Chip Frawley?

Only time will answer that question, a lot of water to go under the bridge yet.

Chip was a good one to get out of the club, along with a few others though.

Edited November 26, 201410 yr by Tyson_Viney_Toumpas

Assuming we get Christian Petracca, is it a good trade for Chip Frawley?

It is a particularly good deal, particularly since we have already secured frost for the backline and Hogan is coming into the forwardline!

I picked this

It'll never heal if you keep picking.

I really cant see where I put leadership at the head of the list of criteria (whatever that means)

Not really interested in getting into a discussion around this however I think it is worth noting that stamina probably would not form part of a key selection criteria for an accountancy grad whereas leadership qualities probably would for an AFL prospect.

Anyway it all depends upon if they have the data that is a good indicator of future behaviour.

sorry...my bad...I saw the correlation

Heres the original highlight video posted earlier in this thread

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEPigCM3ctc&feature=player_embedded

If we get Petracca he won't come with the maturity and dare I say it the IQ of some of the other high picks. He is 18 years of age and most of us at that age had a fair bit of growing up to do.

Thankfully I think that our club has the system and personnel to be able to guide a kid like this.

Edited November 26, 201410 yr by jabberwocky

If we get Petrecca he won't come with the maturity and dare I say it the IQ of some of the other high picks. He is 18 years of age and most of us had a fair bit of growing up to do.

Thankfully I think that our club has the system and personnel to be able to guide s kid like this.

I wouldn't read too much into the IQ, Petracca has probably been involved in sports at an early age - and neglected study.

What most term to be a negative - could be a positive. Billings didn't seem the sharpest tool in the shed last year (based on the draft profiles), yet he was a top 5 performer in 2014. Dustin Martin couldn't even read.

Edited November 26, 201410 yr by ThreeOneSix

Just caught up with this thread.

You are a seriously sick fu ck Song.

Keep up the good work!!

Edited November 26, 201410 yr by The Song Formerly Known As

Assuming we get Christian Petracca, is it a good trade for Chip Frawley?

I, for one, will desperately miss Chip's well intentioned, country boy loyalty.

Bit of trivia for you boys. Christian's mum is an ex marathon runner. At the start of this year he asked people in footy what hus weaknesses were and then went out according to bewick the eastern rangees coach worked like an obsessed madman to try and fix them.

The coach described him as the best talent he has seen.

Self belief is apparently not arrogance but genuine honesty.

the rumours abput degenerative hips on sen and the saints pages (there are nastier rumours as well) are apparently all bulldust.

I find that hard to believe.

Only 65?????

He forgot the 3 in front of that.