Valid point re: Dunn, Interesting to note that Watts and Dunn have very similar career stats. Very interesting to note that based on those very similar stats, a large number of people were calling for Dunn to be delisted and yet based on the same stats, Watts is considered to probably be in the top 6-10 players at the club.

IMO Watts is the 9th to 13th best player at the club:

N.Jones

Tyson

Vince

Dawes

Dunn

Mcdonald

Frawley

Howe

M.Jones

Grimes

Pedersen

No room for Viney in that list?

Different public view. What would a D'land poster know..

So you can say with 100% certainty that Roosy doesn't have exactly the same view behind closed doors as he does in the public, despite Jack playing every game this year, and Roosy defending him on more than one occasion.

I will happily have my slice of humble pie if Jack is offered up for trade at years end.

Valid point re: Dunn, Interesting to note that Watts and Dunn have very similar career stats. Very interesting to note that based on those very similar stats, a large number of people were calling for Dunn to be delisted and yet based on the same stats, Watts is considered to probably be in the top 6-10 players at the club.

IMO Watts is the 9th to 13th best player at the club:

N.Jones

Tyson

Vince

Dawes

Dunn

Mcdonald

Frawley

Howe

M.Jones

Grimes

Pedersen

Noticed dunn does some different things to JW,He puts his head over the pill.mmmmmmmmmmmmm

No room for Viney in that list?

The list was my opinion, If I had to pick which name would go on the team sheet first it would be Watts... just, although you could squeeze him in to the 'on a level' bracket with Grimes, Jones and Pedersen. Love Viney and the way he plays, but his kicking is a liability - no penetration and not reliable =/

The list was my opinion, If I had to pick which name would go on the team sheet first it would be Watts... just, although you could squeeze him in to the 'on a level' bracket with Grimes, Jones and Pedersen. Love Viney and the way he plays, but his kicking is a liability - no penetration and not reliable =/

It doesn't matter if he his winning the footy. He is neat with the footy and ferocious when about to get it.

He would be in top 4 mids, and one of the most important players at the club.

It doesn't matter if he his winning the footy. He is neat with the footy and ferocious when about to get it.

He would be in top 4 mids, and one of the most important players at the club.

I don't disagree, love JV and for the most part his disposal is 'neat', but he isn't a great kick (especially to leading forwards). IMO though, If there was 1 spot left to fill on the team sheet and we had no particular needs I'd be picking Watts because he is more damaging when on song.

Roosy has a different view of watts to the demonland posters.

What would a premiership coach know

i don't think a coach has ever existed who was 100% correct 100% of the time

ergo: your argument only has limited value and is not absolute. this forum is an opinion based forum and nobody is infallible

i don't think a coach has ever existed who was 100% correct 100% of the time

ergo: your argument only has limited value and is not absolute. this forum is an opinion based forum and nobody is infallible

Was never intended as a definitive statement, just a suggestion that the amount of public support for Jack Watts individually from Roosy suggests that he rates him a little bit more highly than the demonlanders calling for his head, a lot of whom called for Dunns head, and Pedersons head

I was one who called for the heads of Dunn and Pederson and others at various stages and I am extremely happy I have been proven wrong.

By my reckoning there are 15 on our list that are candidates for delisting or trading (depending on contract status).

The stats for turnovers are clear. Get rid of all those that continually turn the ball over. They kill confidence. If you look at our stats for the year its turnovers where we are scored most heavily against. Fix that up and we very competitive. A lot of our backline are guilty of this but Grimes, Terlich have to be under serious pressure. Roos got rid of Terlich once. He'll do it again I suspect. Grimes is a such a hard one because he is such a trier and clearly an upstanding bloke but his flaws are very deep.

I have some sympathy because our midfielders don't run and spread enough, That does make it harder for the backline. But guys like Nicho, Terlich and Grimes are consistently bad. I'd actually have McDonald in there as well but he has a lot of other strong credentials and has just been re-signed so is not going anywhere.

Next we have to look at players that can't or won't run. Plenty of those.

Watts lost me last year. He is soft in the xtreme. Skills are excellent but you can't have a player like that who won't run, tackle and cant win a one on one without destroying team ethics.

Frawley has clearly gone. The footy world knows it. He is playing like it. He is worth more to us gone than with us. Tell us now Chip so we can plan.

McKenzie is a one trick pony whose one trick is no longer good. Spencer has been re-signed and I love his attack on the footy but his lack of skills detract seriously from any benefit his mongrel provides.

Evans, Tappy, Strauss, Blease, MJones, FItzy and Clisby have to be gone and along with Byrnes and Clark.

We need mids with skills who can run and defenders who can kick and make decisions under pressure. This all needs fixing before we consider a fwd line. I can't believe how f&^%&^d we are.

Agree with all you have said! so the rebuild of rebuilding, rebuilds into another Rebuild!

Well if that's what it is I want us to go extremely hard at the trade table! Might need to trade a few favs in order to get the mix we need!

So you can say with 100% certainty that Roosy doesn't have exactly the same view behind closed doors as he does in the public, despite Jack playing every game this year, and Roosy defending him on more than one occasion.

I will happily have my slice of humble pie if Jack is offered up for trade at years end.

Not saying he will be. Saying that we should consider it. He's not up to it and has some trade currency. Not too many others have that.

As for Roos having different views publicly and privately I would say yes he would with 100% certainty.

Roosy has a different view of watts to the demonland posters.

What would a premiership coach know

got me beat.

So what is Watt's role , that he's so capably doing ? Bruise free footballer ?

I'm not arguing jacks worth Bb, I'm arguing that roos clearly has some faith in him, several statements in which he defends watts publicly would make him look pretty silly if he trades him at years end.

I'm not arguing jacks worth Bb, I'm arguing that roos clearly has some faith in him, several statements in which he defends watts publicly would make him look pretty silly if he trades him at years end.

I know what you and indeed PR are saying ( different things..etc ) but It has me confounded ( and dare I say confused ) if Roos thinks jacks been doing not just ok but well ( in his role ) This , for mine , beggars belief. as I find him distinctly wanting in the hard effort ( i.e body on body ) dept. SO Im really wondering what sort of airy fairy role does he implore of jack ?

I s till firmly believe he has all the qualities that could make a very very good player.......bar one ( well , yet to see it )

I think the thing for me is the quality of the side Bb, I reckon Jack will improve as the side does, if the ball was coming in fast and clean alot more he would become more dangerous, it would be interesting to see how watts would go sitting in a pocket at say the hawks

But I agree he just doesn't want the contest at this stage

i don't think a coach has ever existed who was 100% correct 100% of the time

ergo: your argument only has limited value and is not absolute. this forum is an opinion based forum and nobody is infallible

DC what about the Pope?

DC what about the Pope?

what about the Pope ?

what about the Pope ?

I think he claims to be infallible, BB and by the way he apparently does a mean exorcism, so watch out!

I think he claims to be infallible, BB and by the way he apparently does a mean exorcism, so watch out!

not afraid of no Popes !!

actually last I heard ol' Popey gone a bit rogue...off the reservation !! Maybe a convert here ?? lol

I think he claims to be infallible, BB and by the way he apparently does a mean exorcism, so watch out!

Don't panic he is only a man pretending to be immortal.

No match for bb

Don't panic he is only a man pretending to be immortal.

No match for bb

probably owe you a Red now for that ...lol

DC what about the Pope?

sorry earl, who does he coach, haven't head of him

not afraid of no Popes !!

Oh yeah, wait till they are about to cut your grass. you better be ready to step aside!

sorry earl, who does he coach, haven't head of him

Don't think he'd be interested in coaching us Demons, but you never know ...

Oh yeah, wait till they are about to cut your grass. you better be ready to step aside!

Had a Simpson and....

Briggs and Stratton is good

last time I looked I cut my grass...