Leoncelli_36 2,264 Posted March 17, 2014 Posted March 17, 2014 Just wondering whether if we had of retained Lucas Cook he would have been getting a game this weekend? I am sure I will get shot down by many on here for the mere suggestion, but with all our 'star' forwards injured we are calling out for someone to step up. Were we premature in letting this kid go? i mean we used such a high pick to draft him and after 2 years he was gone. You hear so much in the media about how bigger bodied KPP's take longer etc etc..did we pull the trigger too early? http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/lucas-cook-out-to-prove-melbourne-wrong-and-forge-an-afl-career-at-a-second-club/story-fn69a32t-1226493750429
nutbean 8,838 Posted March 17, 2014 Posted March 17, 2014 Just wondering whether if we had of retained Lucas Cook he would have been getting a game this weekend? I am sure I will get shot down by many on here for the mere suggestion, but with all our 'star' forwards injured we are calling out for someone to step up. Were we premature in letting this kid go? i mean we used such a high pick to draft him and after 2 years he was gone. You hear so much in the media about how bigger bodied KPP's take longer etc etc..did we pull the trigger too early? http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/lucas-cook-out-to-prove-melbourne-wrong-and-forge-an-afl-career-at-a-second-club/story-fn69a32t-1226493750429 I compare Cook to a very awkward Fitzy ( for his first few seasons) and I suspect the reason that Fitzy is still on the list and playing this weekend is because a club is prepared to take a risk and persevere with raw, untapped talent if the attitude and desire to succeed is evident. I suspect that Cooks attitude and determination to succeed just wasn't there.
Satyriconhome 10,880 Posted March 17, 2014 Posted March 17, 2014 I compare Cook to a very awkward Fitzy ( for his first few seasons) and I suspect the reason that Fitzy is still on the list and playing this weekend is because a club is prepared to take a risk and persevere with raw, untapped talent if the attitude and desire to succeed is evident. I suspect that Cooks attitude and determination to succeed just wasn't there. Got it in one, from what I have been told and heard, believe he has given footy away, not even playing locally
DeeSpencer 26,667 Posted March 17, 2014 Posted March 17, 2014 Just wondering whether if we had of retained Lucas Cook he would have been getting a game this weekend? I am sure I will get shot down by many on here for the mere suggestion, but with all our 'star' forwards injured we are calling out for someone to step up. Were we premature in letting this kid go? i mean we used such a high pick to draft him and after 2 years he was gone. You hear so much in the media about how bigger bodied KPP's take longer etc etc..did we pull the trigger too early? http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/lucas-cook-out-to-prove-melbourne-wrong-and-forge-an-afl-career-at-a-second-club/story-fn69a32t-1226493750429 Too slow, too soft. He'd be competing with Pedersen but I doubt he'd be an improvement. We might have cut him early but he wasnt ever going to make it. KPP take a long time to adjust to AFL level but Cook was struggling to justify his spot at VFL level. Troy Davis would also be competing with Pedo this week. He was a decent guy and was hard at it, just limited talent and athleticism. I was glad he got a game and had a bit of a crack. Something to tell the grand kids about.
picket fence 18,169 Posted March 17, 2014 Posted March 17, 2014 Nup but as I have said previous, there was a bloke who kicked 35 goals from 25 games "Juice Newton" never ever got a real go and then when he did got injured! Rather a Juice than a bloke who never ever played a game! Playing for Norwood this year after two injury ruined years ! Would love for him to have a great year and then who knows!? Plenty of clubs might be tempted to draft a 27 year old mature age! Juice Newton? Just a thought!
Bay Riffin 1,518 Posted March 17, 2014 Posted March 17, 2014 Juice Newton? Just a thought! be interested if you can get ANY support to re-draft Juice. Good luck !!
picket fence 18,169 Posted March 17, 2014 Posted March 17, 2014 Yeah well Biff you never say never, One good season and with plenty of clubs looking for tall forward who knows!??
The Song Formerly Known As 6,479 Posted March 18, 2014 Posted March 18, 2014 i'd just forgotten that name, way to bring it up again.
P-man 13,367 Posted March 18, 2014 Posted March 18, 2014 I love this thread already. *sits back with popcorn in hand*
Guest Posted March 18, 2014 Posted March 18, 2014 Dear lord. I'd rather we bring back Tom Gillies and get him to swing forward..... ...Ok maybe not
Satyriconhome 10,880 Posted March 18, 2014 Posted March 18, 2014 Don't forget Danny Hughes, we could give him another crack, believe he is at Port this year, could cast an eye at praccy game this weekend at Casey, of course Brad Miller is still looking trim and terrific (playing coach) and saw Robbo at training the other day, if we can convince him to put the microphone down...
dazzledavey36 56,283 Posted March 18, 2014 Posted March 18, 2014 Nup but as I have said previous, there was a bloke who kicked 35 goals from 25 games "Juice Newton" never ever got a real go and then when he did got injured! Rather a Juice than a bloke who never ever played a game! Playing for Norwood this year after two injury ruined years ! Would love for him to have a great year and then who knows!? Plenty of clubs might be tempted to draft a 27 year old mature age! Juice Newton? Just a thought! You come on here and complain all the time about how we should have picked Wines over toumpas etc and then you dish this up about Juice not getting much of a go? There was a reason he didnt get much of a go.. Absolute dud! How we hung on to him for too long is still unbelievable.
Satyriconhome 10,880 Posted March 18, 2014 Posted March 18, 2014 anyone else care to dig up any other comtemporary Melb forward that can compare??......dig up!, gee I thought a prerequisite was at least breathing...we are not that desperate yet are we?
farmerwiz 60 Posted March 18, 2014 Posted March 18, 2014 i dont think lucas's problems were talent related, he had talent and was due to go top 30 in draft i tend to think there were a few other issues that had him quickly delisted or otherwise they would have worked with him longer ie - juice newton
nutbean 8,838 Posted March 18, 2014 Posted March 18, 2014 Correction 28 games 35 Goals anyone else care to dig up any other comtemporary Melb forward that can compare?? Jeremy Howe Next. Edit - and Howe spent time in the midfield
picket fence 18,169 Posted March 18, 2014 Posted March 18, 2014 You come on here and complain all the time about how we should have picked Wines over toumpas etc and then you dish this up about Juice not getting much of a go? There was a reason he didnt get much of a go.. Absolute dud! How we hung on to him for too long is still unbelievable. If you go over to AFL stats and look at Newtons Top 10 I think the term "Dud" will be quickly dispelled! Pity I cannot upload otherwise I would do so! Any other poster out there with the required know how If you wouldn't mind doing this so that in the interest of fairness the revelation of stats might just surprise some on this forum!
daisycutter 30,004 Posted March 18, 2014 Posted March 18, 2014 that's a horrible thought fence.....up there with your ashes prediction
Satyriconhome 10,880 Posted March 18, 2014 Posted March 18, 2014 If you go over to AFL stats and look at Newtons Top 10 I think the term "Dud" will be quickly dispelled! Pity I cannot upload otherwise I would do so! Any other poster out there with the required know how If you wouldn't mind doing this so that in the interest of fairness the revelation of stats might just surprise some on this forum! Chap, nobody is doubting Juice's talents, watched him tear it up in the VFL quite a few times, but the one thing they harp on about at AFL is consistency, even a mercurial talent like Lewis Jetta knows he has to do the 1 percenters etc and perform each week, this was Juice's problem, he reminds me of Waite at Carlton, can take some freakish grabs and then go missing or have a brain fade, I am staggered Carlton have put up with him for so long
nutbean 8,838 Posted March 18, 2014 Posted March 18, 2014 I did a comparison but unfortunately the second player I put didnt have any stats..... Please correct the following errors no player matches 'A potato' Select up to four players at a time to add to the comparison. Enter the players' full name eg. 'Brent Harvey'. Season: All20142013201220112010200920082007200620052004200320022001200019991998199719961995199419931992199119901989198819871986198519841983198219811980 Player Name 1: Player Name 2: Player Name 3: Player Name 4: Clear Selection Player Totals Player MT K Avg H Avg D Avg M Avg HO Avg T Avg FF FA G Avg B SC Rat Avg Michael Newton 28 220 7.9 70 2.5 290 10.4 119 4.3 36 1.3 66 2.4 40 27 35 1.3 31 241 1657 59.2 Totals 28 220 7.9 70 2.5 290 10.4 119 4.2 36 1.3 66 2.4 40 27 35 1.2 31 241 1657 59.2
nutbean 8,838 Posted March 18, 2014 Posted March 18, 2014 Chap, nobody is doubting Juice's talents, watched him tear it up in the VFL quite a few times, but the one thing they harp on about at AFL is consistency, even a mercurial talent like Lewis Jetta knows he has to do the 1 percenters etc and perform each week, this was Juice's problem, he reminds me of Waite at Carlton, can take some freakish grabs and then go missing or have a brain fade, I am staggered Carlton have put up with him for so long Waite would be my most disliked player at Carlton purely because of his ability to waste his talent.
rpfc 29,020 Posted March 18, 2014 Posted March 18, 2014 If you go over to AFL stats and look at Newtons Top 10 I think the term "Dud" will be quickly dispelled! Pity I cannot upload otherwise I would do so! Any other poster out there with the required know how If you wouldn't mind doing this so that in the interest of fairness the revelation of stats might just surprise some on this forum! Not every sentence has to end with an exclamation mark!
P-man 13,367 Posted March 18, 2014 Posted March 18, 2014 Not every sentence has to end with an exclamation mark! Yes it does! Try it! It's fun!
picket fence 18,169 Posted March 18, 2014 Posted March 18, 2014 I ALWAYS PUT FULL VALUE ON MY EXCLAMATIONS!!!!!!!!!!
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