is it a toothless tiger though....just roars at other, smaller animals in a game of bluff ?

is it a toothless tiger though....just roars at other, smaller animals in a game of bluff ?

It has bigger teeth than I want to tangle with bb

don,t underestimate the hole Essendon is digging

I dont think Vlad's game to take them on...WADA will...but I cant help but feel Vlad's running interference

lol

If they appeal anything, it isn't because of the severity.

Think your sarcasm radar is on the blink rpfc - might need to get it looked at!

Interesting Essendon in the short term may get away with paying Hird as there is nothing to say he could not be.

However Essendon are digging themselves a big hole with the AFL and the other clubs.

People have long memories and they will cop it in the next event.

They are pulling the tail of a very big tiger.

Hope you are on the money, old.

seems to me that if he is being paid by the club then he is employed by the club

of course if a third party is actually doing the paying i don't think there is much can be done

plus he has already signed a contract with essendon for post "suspension" coaching

pretty good for hird - get paid, do nothing, plus get your expensive business development course paid for whilst your job is held for you by contract

sounds more like a paid sabbatical

some "punishment" - must be really hurting him

only in the afl

In Dank's case, I would imagine the prosecution if it comes would be via the ACC which kicked this off when investigating the money trail of prohibited drugs through criminal elements.

Just a question: what sanctions can ASADA or WADA (or any other juristriction for that matter) impose on Dank if he just says nothing and refuses to answer questions?

Sure, AFL can ban him from involvement with any affiliated club but OMG why would they anyway?

I dont think Vlad's game to take them on...WADA will...but I cant help but feel Vlad's running interference

Beezlebub, I'm starting to lean towards that view. I certainly think that Vlad tipped off the Bombers then took the fifth.

Beezlebub, I'm starting to lean towards that view. I certainly think that Vlad tipped off the Bombers then took the fifth.

I just note...repeating theme. Somethings about to happen to Ess/Hird Vlad pops up..something odd happens ....Vlad denies after...

repeat....???

Just a question: what sanctions can ASADA or WADA (or any other juristriction for that matter) impose on Dank if he just says nothing and refuses to answer questions?

Sure, AFL can ban him from involvement with any affiliated club but OMG why would they anyway?

13C Failure to comply with disclosure notice

Failure to give information or produce documents in time

(1) A person contravenes this subsection if:

(a) the person is given a disclosure notice; and

(b) the notice requires the person to:

(i) give information; or

(ii) produce documents or things;

of a kind specified in the notice; and

© the person fails to comply with the notice within the period specified in the notice.

Civil penalty: 30 penalty units.

(2) Subsection (1) does not apply if the person gives the CEO a statutory declaration stating that:

(a) the person does not possess the information, document or thing; and

(b) the person has taken all reasonable steps available to the person to obtain the information, document or thing and has been unable to obtain it.

Note: A person bears an evidential burden in relation to the matter in this subsection: see section 73R.

Failure to attend interview

(3) A person contravenes this subsection if:

(a) the person is given a disclosure notice; and

(b) the notice requires the person to attend an interview to answer questions; and

© the person fails to comply with the notice.

Civil penalty: 30 penalty units.

Failure to answer questions

(4) A person contravenes this subsection if:

(a) the person is given a disclosure notice; and

(b) the notice requires the person to attend an interview to answer questions; and

© the person refuses or fails to answer a question.

Civil penalty: 30 penalty units.

Edited December 5, 201311 yr by Redleg

yet for all that Red....they haven't gone him !!

why not ?? something's not Kosher

I wonder whether all of those at the afl are on the same page. Did Fitzpatrick and Vlad convey the same message?

yet for all that Red....they haven't gone him !!

why not ?? something's not Kosher

To be honest we don't have a clue at what stage they are at, but we do know their investigation is not complete.

I would hazard a guess that the reason this is taking so long, is because they are under resourced and the investigation is complex, involving many athletes ( footballers ) and many witnesses. Also the fact that documents were either not kept or have been destroyed, means it is a slower and more complex process of investigation.

Everyone needs to draw breath and wait for their findings.

Edited December 5, 201311 yr by Redleg

To be honest we don't have a clue at what stage they are at, but we do know their investigation is not complete.

I would hazard a guess that the reason this is taking so long, is because they are under resourced and the investigation is complex, involving many athletes ( footballers ) and many witnesses. Also the fact that documents were either not kept or have been destroyed, means it is a slower and more complex process of investigation.

Everyone needs to draw breath and wait for their findings.

Where is that bloody Like button.

To be honest we don't have a clue at what stage they are at, but we do know their investigation is not complete.

I would hazard a guess that the reason this is taking so long, is because they are under resourced and the investigation is complex, involving many athletes ( footballers ) and many witnesses. Also the fact that documents were either not kept or have been destroyed, means it is a slower and more complex process of investigation.

Everyone needs to draw breath and wait for their findings.

sorry mate this is just rubbish.

Under resourced...this by your own description is the most important case to ever come across their desk....and they cant reel in the most important witness.. really ?? fmd

sorry mate this is just rubbish.

Under resourced...this by your own description is the most important case to ever come across their desk....and they cant reel in the most important witness.. really ?? fmd

Who says they haven't?

Also just because they have an important case, doesn't mean they can just get more investigators out of thin air for this project and then sack them when it is completed. That is not the way Government agencies work.

Who says they haven't?

Also just because they have an important case, doesn't mean they can just get more investigators out of thin air for this project and then sack them when it is completed. That is not the way Government agencies work.

So you think they have...and they are keeping it for spesh ?? really ?? hows that work,? motive, benefit etc really I'd be interested.

This is the biggest profile case they have ever had....so suddenly they're nonchalant about it ?

The fact they are a quango concerns me. ppl can be had in these places, especially backwaters as we are.

They dont need more investigators...just need to prioritise who they are after.. Not that hard mate .

seems to me that if he is being paid by the club then he is employed by the club

of course if a third party is actually doing the paying i don't think there is much can be done

plus he has already signed a contract with essendon for post "suspension" coaching

pretty good for hird - get paid, do nothing, plus get your expensive business development course paid for whilst your job is held for you by contract

sounds more like a paid sabbatical

some "punishment" - must be really hurting him

...

If the punishment was going to hurt hi, he probably would have refused to play along.

sorry mate this is just rubbish.

Under resourced...this by your own description is the most important case to ever come across their desk....and they cant reel in the most important witness.. really ?? fmd

In the global reality of what they do, it's just another case and will take the time it takes.

yet for all that Red....they haven't gone him !!

why not ?? something's not Kosher

Not Kosher? - is someone telling porkys??

To be honest we don't have a clue at what stage they are at, but we do know their investigation is not complete.

I would hazard a guess that the reason this is taking so long, is because they are under resourced and the investigation is complex, involving many athletes ( footballers ) and many witnesses. Also the fact that documents were either not kept or have been destroyed, means it is a slower and more complex process of investigation.

Everyone needs to draw breath and wait for their findings.

Wise words Redleg but it is clearly being missed by those that should heed that most.

FWIW, I have had confirmation from two senior executives in prominent Australian sporting bodies (not AFL) that as a Government funded operation, ASADA does have limited resources. Furthermore it was never created and funded with the vision that it would be concurrently investigating serious and complex doping allegations involving major sporting clubs in the two main football codes in this country. This is in addition to the other usual individual sportsman issues that have to be dealt with.

I am more concerned that given the serious of the matter and the conduct of certain football official that ASADA do there job thoroughly, competently and diligently.

And we wont know that until they finish their investigation. And I hope the investigation finds Hird, Thompson and other officials guilty of breaching WADA rules.

sorry mate this is just rubbish.

Under resourced...this by your own description is the most important case to ever come across their desk....and they cant reel in the most important witness.. really ?? fmd

You of all posters really dont have a clue.

ASADA/WADA investigations are based collecting evidence, information and facts before coming to conclusions.

I can understand how you find that process difficult and foreign.

The Hird camp continues to apply the pressure in the HUN - James Hird's advisers lash AFL, ASADA as Chip Le Grand adds to the AFL hierarchy's woes - Pressure on Hird to change contract

THE Essendon supplements scandal has taken a bizarre twist, with suspended coach James Hird under pressure last night to amend his employment contract to spare AFL chief executive Andrew Demetriou a humiliating public backdown.

The Australian understands that Hird, Essendon president Paul Little and the AFL were locked in negotiations yesterday over how to extinguish a spot fire inadvertently lit by Mr Demetriou when he wrongly claimed Hird could not be, and was not being, paid by the club during his 12-month ban from football.

Apart from here, when was the last time you heard "integrity" and "the AFL" referred to in the same sentence?

The writing was on the wall when the AFL selectively beat Melbourne across the head with a tanking enquiry that should have covered the entire competition and not just the one club. The outcome of that was a debacle but this is becoming a humiliating sideshow to what eventually will come to pass when the full force of the anti doping authorities comes down on the AFL and Essendon. Demetriou, Fitzpatrick, Evans, Little and Hird - they all deserve to wallow in this.

Wise words Redleg but it is clearly being missed by those that should heed that most.

FWIW, I have had confirmation from two senior executives in prominent Australian sporting bodies (not AFL) that as a Government funded operation, ASADA does have limited resources. Furthermore it was never created and funded with the vision that it would be concurrently investigating serious and complex doping allegations involving major sporting clubs in the two main football codes in this country. This is in addition to the other usual individual sportsman issues that have to be dealt with.

I am more concerned that given the serious of the matter and the conduct of certain football official that ASADA do there job thoroughly, competently and diligently.

You of all posters really dont have a clue.

ASADA/WADA investigations are based collecting evidence, information and facts before coming to conclusions.

I can understand how you find that process difficult and foreign.

Really...you can can you...for someone with limited intelligence I cant see how.

Maybe , and I 'll put it simply for folk like yourselves.., just maybe collecting evidence from Dank might be the first call of the day ?

In case you hadn't got the gist of my comments. oh thats right, your limited comprehension, that is exactly what I was alluding to getting the f'n evidence you clown.

Now run along and pretend you're clever to others, some here arent so fooled

In the global reality of what they do, it's just another case and will take the time it takes.

ASADA willdo the local stuff, running around, the gathering of statements and boxes of records ( should they exist ) . WADA is only the global master looking over shoulder. Given that the EFC's involvement is only part of it and that together with the NRL's side of this scandal that this would be the biggest scandal to hit Aussie sport youd think this would be a bit further down the track. If Dank hasnt been interviewed and by all accounts he hasnt then they are being tardy to say the least.

... youd think this would be a bit further down the track.

Neither you nor I know how far down the track this is.

Which I believe is also one of the points Rhino was making.