The first "anti" vietnam war film made in 1978 called "coming Home" is still a very powerful piece.

I found a copy on Amazon a couple of years ago.

I saw it in the cinema as a kid when it was released.

The first "anti" vietnam war film made in 1978 called "coming Home" is still a very powerful piece.

I found a copy on Amazon a couple of years ago.

I saw it in the cinema as a kid when it was released.

Was that the one with Henry Winkler?????

Also the "Odd Angry Shot" was a good Australian movie with an "Anti" message

Was that the one with Henry Winkler?????

Also the "Odd Angry Shot" was a good Australian movie with an "Anti" message

No it was John Voight Bruce Dern and Jane Fonda.

Still causes a lot of angst within america in some parts.

All correct dee-luded but it did take a change of Government as well.

yes indeed!

& it was a time of big change around the world, the 60's thru to the mid seventies. probably since the 2nd WWar. people standing up to be counted.

I feel its about to start again.

yes indeed!

& it was a time of big change around the world, the 60's thru to the mid seventies. probably since the 2nd WWar. people standing up to be counted.

I feel its about to start again.

I doubt it, people used to care about each other back then.

yes indeed!

& it was a time of big change around the world, the 60's thru to the mid seventies. probably since the 2nd WWar. people standing up to be counted.

I feel its about to start again.

you mean people still can't count?

wasn't that why we invented computers?

I doubt it, people used to care about each other back then.

on the surface; I think underneath all the distractions of competing against one another, & trying to outdo one another, that same built in genetic program is still in there, deep down. in the generational aussies.

the recent immigrants, I'm not so confident... life is cheap is all they know.

you mean people still can't count?

wasn't that why we invented computers?

numbers have no voice. pairs of feet marching & yelling, they're recognised. except for the Harbour Bridge march, but it was eventually sorted, & "sorry seems to be the hardest word" aint no more.

Soooooo, Nathan Carroll got arrested huh?

Soooooo, Nathan Carroll got arrested huh?

Yes he did and I guess people here are looking for a reason why.

It may be his upbringing, or he just maybe is wired badly.

Or maybe he was just out on the [censored] all night and is a d!ckhead...

Anyway, my point was just about the thread being derailed into the Vietnam stuff that probably has nothing to do with anything. No biggie!

Or maybe he was just out on the [censored] all night and is a d!ckhead...

Anyway, my point was just about the thread being derailed into the Vietnam stuff that probably has nothing to do with anything. No biggie!

It's a theory.

Ok...lets put it out there. NC did some bad stuff..it was of his OWN volition

all those wanting to make excuses line up >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

The fact that Carroll is no longer at Melbourne means we have no qualifiers at this stage for the off season hoon act award for 2013/4.

Current leader board:

► St. Kilda - dwarf tossing (extra points for collective team effort)

► Gold Coast Suns - Campbell Brown smashing a team mates jaw

► Sydney Swans - Buddy's swathe of cringeworthy acts across two states

► Hawthorn - Josh Gibson for best international support act.

Paul Roos has a lot to answer for. Gone are the days when we used to dominate this award in the days of Carroll, McLean, Sylvia, Jurrah & co.

Or maybe he was just out on the [censored] all night and is a d!ckhead...

Anyway, my point was just about the thread being derailed into the Vietnam stuff that probably has nothing to do with anything. No biggie!

hahaha,,, don't let us get in your way of Demonising someone.

we forgot what we're here for. to stick the boots in as hard as we can, especially when they're down; its easier to get a good kick in like that.

The fact that Carroll is no longer at Melbourne means we have no qualifiers at this stage for the off season hoon act award for 2013/4.

Current leader board:

► St. Kilda - dwarf tossing (extra points for collective team effort)

► Gold Coast Suns - Campbell Brown smashing a team mates jaw

► Sydney Swans - Buddy's swathe of cringeworthy acts across two states

► Hawthorn - Josh Gibson for best international support act.

Paul Roos has a lot to answer for. Gone are the days when we used to dominate this award in the days of Carroll, McLean, Sylvia, Jurrah & co.

Don't give up hope WJ, the offseason is till young....

The submissions that were seemingly made at Court in relation to the incident do not paint a particularly favourable picture.

In fact, Carroll sounds like a total scumbag.

thug, hope he gets what he deserves

I returned to Vietnam in 2005 on a cruise.....Hovercraft up the Mekong Delta....It's still a [censored] hole and the war is called the "American war" over there....I really don't like the Asian Countries but I still go to Bali every year....Go figure....

Vietnam is actually one of the fastest growing economies in the world and although still a shytehole by our standards,it's rapidly developing into more of a western shytehole ,i.e functional.

I slag off bali but I've never actually been there-i have mates that say it is beautiful in parts but the aussies have turned alot of it into a cesspit.

hahaha,,, don't let us get in your way of Demonising someone.

we forgot what we're here for. to stick the boots in as hard as we can, especially when they're down; its easier to get a good kick in like that.

All I said was that maybe he is a d!ckhead and I'd say the evidence supports that. In my experience, people who turn up in the Magis Court in the morning with no shoes, accused of pummelling strangers on the street, usually are d1ckheads, regardless of their background. I'm sure Carroll's was horrible, but grown men have no excuse for acts of random violence on the streets and I, for one, won't make excuses for them. That doesn't mean I'm sinking the boot in, I'm just being civilised.

The reason I weighed back into this thread was because I wanted to read about Nathan Carroll (who, incidentally, I loved watching play), rather than the Vietnam war, movies, the anti-war movement, the damage it did to very vulnerable young men and the complete futility of the whole thing.

I know all that - I read this forum for football news, not so much for history lessons (unless it is about MFC history, which is fantastic).

I slag off bali but I've never actually been there-i have mates that say it is beautiful in parts but the aussies have turned alot of it into a cesspit.

I'm an expert on bali biffo

spent a week there 40 years ago

what do you want to know?

I'm an expert on bali biffo

spent a week there 40 years ago

what do you want to know?

would have been superb back then!!

Having been to vietnam last year and seen the tunnels outside of Saigon i have immense respect for anyone who had to go down there.

The soldiers didn't have a chance. They were sitting targets.

No one who came back from there could be the same apart from their name.

Met a fella in the NT who was a tunnel rat. We were drinking buddies for the three years I was there. He was a really nice guy, but at the same time he was NQR. Odd emotional reactions to things that didn't seem important, and cold to thing that did. Sometimes we'd all be drinking and laughing about something, and he'd go quiet for a bit and then just walk away and stand off by himself. Later he'd join back in the group as if he'd never left.

It was sad and disconcerting to see a person that was one of nature's nice guys so lost, and knowing there was something broken inside him that could never be fixed.

Dragging kids out of suburbia to fight a jungle war for reasons even the powers the be couldn't explain properly was never going to end well.

would have been superb back then!!

it was great, until you showed just the slightest interest in whatever the local vendors were trying to fl0g

then you got stalked relentlessly for the rest of the day

i'm told it hasn't changed in that regard

All I said was that maybe he is a d!ckhead and I'd say the evidence supports that. In my experience, people who turn up in the Magis Court in the morning with no shoes, accused of pummelling strangers on the street, usually are d1ckheads, regardless of their background. I'm sure Carroll's was horrible, but grown men have no excuse for acts of random violence on the streets and I, for one, won't make excuses for them. That doesn't mean I'm sinking the boot in, I'm just being civilised.

The reason I weighed back into this thread was because I wanted to read about Nathan Carroll (who, incidentally, I loved watching play), rather than the Vietnam war, movies, the anti-war movement, the damage it did to very vulnerable young men and the complete futility of the whole thing.

I know all that - I read this forum for football news, not so much for history lessons (unless it is about MFC history, which is fantastic).

So what else exactly did you want to know about Carroll? All the facts are here for you to read via the linked articles. You can ignore the rest of it's not to your taste, but given Carroll's background, I consider the discussion relevant and do not consider it a derailment of the thread.