It's raining... but there is no parade.

Back: Colin Garland, James Frawley, Dean Terlich

Half-back: Mitch Clisby, Tom McDonald, Jack Grimes

Centre: Jimmy Toumpas, Jack Trengove, Bernie Vince

Half-forwards: Jeremy Howe, Chris Dawes, Jack Watts

Forward: ,Dean Kent Mitch Clark, Jesse Hogan

Followers: Max Gawn, Nathan Jones, Dom Tyson

I/C: , Daniel Cross, Jack Viney, Jack Fitzpatrick

Sub: Sam Blease

Emergencies: Jordie McKenzie, Nathan Freeman, Matt Jones

That side on paper should well and truly smash St Kilda in round 1 - need a big pre-season from everyone

JORDIE MCKENZIE IS NOT A FRINGE PLAYER

i think people need to understand that

I agree with you! I think he is a great tagged but who would you take out for him?

JORDIE MCKENZIE IS NOT A FRINGE PLAYERi think people need to understand that

When we have a capable midfield, he will become one.

When we have a capable midfield, he will become one.

Who will we use as a tagger then?

Clisby Frawley Garland

Grimes McDonald Toumpas

Michie Jones Watts

Vince Clark Trengove

Hogan Dawes Kent

Foll: Gawn Viney Tyson

Int: Howe Pick #9 Cross

Sub: Blease

Emerg: McKenzie Fitzpatrick M Jones

This is still looking pretty good to me. I'm also close to convinced that we'll take Freeman. It makes sense from a list balance perspective. If we deem Freeman good enough to pick at #9, he offers our list something that it severely lacks. Run, carry and pace.

FB: C.Garland J.Frawley D.Terlich

CHB: J.Grimes T.McDonald D.Cross

C: B.Vince N.Jones J.Watts

CHF: J.Trengove C.Dawes J.Howe

FF: J.Hogan M.Clark D.Kent

Foll: M.Gawn, D.Tyson, J.Viney

Interchange: J.Toumpas, V.Michie, M.Jones, J.McKenzie

Rucks: J.Spencer, M.Jamar

Tall forwards: Fitzpatrick

Tall backs: Pederson, L.Dunn

Mids: M.Evans, D.Nicholson, S.Blease ,R.Bail

Small forwards: S.Byrnes, L.Tapscott , N.Jetta

Small backs: M.Clisby, J.Strauss, D.Barry

Starting to look like a team. Five genuine mids to consist of our major rotations - Jones, Tyson, Viney, Michie & McKenzie (tagger) with Watts, Vince, toumpas & M.Jones to help with the run and carry (thanks Clint). Gawn to take over as no.1 ruck eventually with Clark as the pinch hitter. Grimes back to defence with Cross and Terlich the other smalls.

I'm probably not as worried about Pederson as others, he has a bit of ability and is a cheap back up option to cover injuries. Small forward is an issue though, we really need either Kent or perhaps Blease to own that role.

But no more gifting games to young players, there has to be genuine competition for spots which could drastically change the team, players need to be rewarded for strong performances

When we have a capable midfield, he will become one.

It's not about Midfield..

it's about the fact that every team needs a shutdown player.

He is a very good shutdown player

FB: C.Garland J.Frawley D.Terlich

CHB: J.Grimes T.McDonald D.Cross

C: B.Vince N.Jones J.Watts

CHF: J.Trengove C.Dawes J.Howe

FF: J.Hogan M.Clark D.Kent

Foll: M.Gawn, D.Tyson, J.Viney

Interchange: J.Toumpas, V.Michie, M.Jones, J.McKenzie

Rucks: J.Spencer, M.Jamar

Tall forwards: Fitzpatrick

Tall backs: Pederson, L.Dunn

Mids: M.Evans, D.Nicholson, S.Blease ,R.Bail

Small forwards: S.Byrnes, L.Tapscott , N.Jetta

Small backs: M.Clisby, J.Strauss, D.Barry

Starting to look like a team. Five genuine mids to consist of our major rotations - Jones, Tyson, Viney, Michie & McKenzie (tagger) with Watts, Vince, toumpas & M.Jones to help with the run and carry (thanks Clint). Gawn to take over as no.1 ruck eventually with Clark as the pinch hitter. Grimes back to defence with Cross and Terlich the other smalls.

I'm probably not as worried about Pederson as others, he has a bit of ability and is a cheap back up option to cover injuries. Small forward is an issue though, we really need either Kent or perhaps Blease to own that role.

But no more gifting games to young players, there has to be genuine competition for spots which could drastically change the team, players need to be rewarded for strong performances

I like this side, but still slow and no line breakers across half back. Also no speedsters on the bench and quick half backs will tear us up running the other way. I see Clisby in the 18 across half back and there is a role for a quick defensive forward in that side as you have stated.

It is certainly is going to be a challenge getting the mix right. The side on paper at least has a lot more physicality and class than it did in 2014.

With a fit list there may even be some competition for midfield spots.

I like this side, but still slow and no line breakers across half back. Also no speedsters on the bench and quick half backs will tear us up running the other way. I see Clisby in the 18 across half back and there is a role for a quick defensive forward in that side as you have stated.

It is certainly is going to be a challenge getting the mix right. The side on paper at least has a lot more physicality and class than it did in 2014.

With a fit list there may even be some competition for midfield spots.

agree, we will need some run and carry. That's what Nathan Freeman would offer. Hope we get that kid at pick 9.

B: Terlich Mcdonald Garland

HB: Toumpas Frawley Grimes

C: Watts Tyson Vince

HF: Howe Dawes Trengove

F: Kent Clark Hogan

R: Jamar/Gawn, Viney, N. Jones

Int & Sub: Cross, Mckenzie, Michie, Pick 9

Emg: Strauss, Fitzy, Dunn

Think Roos will go with a side that has plenty of run all across the ground, therefore Terlich gets in despite his knack of turning it over, Roos didn't bring Clark to the club so playing solely as a forward was no promises of his. He is the back up ruck and should do the tap work in the forward half. Trengove, Watts, Cross, Viney, Jones, Toumpas, Michie, Pick 9(will be a mid), Vince, Kent, Tyson and possibly Terlich all have the ability to rotate through the middle. Mckenzie gets in to get a run with role on Montagna or Steven. Strauss is an outside chance for a spot off halfback if Roos wants a player with a good kick like Malceski to set up play unless he wants Watts to play this along with Toumpas.

Whilst I don't think we are near Top 8 material one thing we have is options with mids with Matt Jones and Evans missing out. Speed is something Roos likes in his team so what happens Blease is something to consider.

Frawley. Garland. Grimes

Clisby. McDonald. Trengove

Toumpas. Viney. Vince

Howe Clark Cross

Dawes Hogan Watts

Gawn, Tyson, Michie

Int. Jones, Kent, Terlich, Tapscott.

Emg. Mckenzie, Dunn, Strauss.

B: Garland Frawley Terlich

HB: Clisby McDonald Grimes

C: Watts N Jones Vince

HF: Howe Hogan Cross

F: Dawes Clark Kent

Foll: Gawn Viney Trengove

Int: Tyson McKenzie M Jones

Sub: Toumpas

Garland, Frawley and McDonald pick themselves.

Terlich was terrific in his first year and while his disposal can let him down, I think he is a great back pocket player in the ilk of the wrecker Matty Whelan.

Clisby showed enough in his first year to earn a place and his upgrade to the senior list shows that the club has faith in him.

Grimes plays his best footy off a half back flank.

Watts and Vince on each wing with their good disposal. Hoping to see plenty of inside 50's from the pair.

N Jones is obviously the midfield general.

Howe no longer needs to play in the midfield so will solely play on the half forward flank and provide a great target with his sure hands.

Cross on the other flank and will also play through the midfield.

Big Hulk at centre half forward. He will hold his own and won't be intimidated in his first year at AFL level. Too good to be sitting in a forward pocket.

Dawes, when fit, provides another great option up forward so will sit in a pocket.

Clark at full forward. I pray that he stays fit for the whole season and bags plenty of goals. Will also pinch hit in the ruck when required.

Kent showed great signs in his first year and will start his career in the forward line with stints in the middle. Will eventually become a pure mid once players like Cross and Vince have finished their careers.

Gawn is the most talented ruckman on the list and with a good pre-season can become our number one ruck with assistance from Clark.

Viney is obviously a combative beast and an injury free 2014 will see him make huge strides at AFL level.

Trengove without the pressures of the captaincy will become the player that he has always been touted to be. An uninterrupted pre-season is very important for Trenners.

Tyson has a stack of potential and is a walk up start in our best 22.

McKenzie to be played purely as a tagger stopping the best player from each team week in, week out.

M Jones deserves a place in the best 22 after a great first season. Not a big talent but a work horse and not in our best 18 but deserves a spot in our best side.

Toumpas to start as the sub after an indifferent first year and will no doubt prove that he is in our best 21 in no time.

Michie has loads of talent but isn't a walk up start just yet. Some good VFL form will get him called up to the Seniors.

Fitzpatrick will come in to the side as soon as any of Dawes, Hogan or Clark is unavailable. But he is behind all 3 right now.

Blease needs to be consistent at VFL level to get a call up to the 1's. Has shown that he can be a player but goes missing far too often.

Evans is unlucky to not be in the best 22 but out midfield recruits have pushed him out at the moment. Hopefully he can find a place in our best 22.

The remainder of the list are mostly depth players and will need to do a lot to crack into our best 22.

If we can avoid injuries to our key players then we can expect massive improvement from our Dees in 2014.

B: Garland Frawley Terlich
HB: Clisby McDonald Grimes
C: Watts N Jones Michie
HF: Howe Hogan Kent
F: Dawes Clark Dom Barry
Foll: Jamar Viney Vince
Int: Tyson M Jones Cross
Sub: Pick 9

Mc Kenzie surplus to needs( How a stopper with limited skills got a three year deal is beyond me)

Trengove backup only

Dunn ditto

Blease needs to show a lot more than a flash runs out of breath far too easily!

Waiting in wings Fitzy, Gawn, and a few others!

Take it or leave it

B: Garland Frawley Terlich

HB: Clisby McDonald Grimes

C: Watts N Jones Michie

HF: Howe Hogan Kent

F: Dawes Clark Dom Barry

Foll: Jamar Viney Vince

Int: Tyson M Jones Cross

Sub: Pick 9

Mc Kenzie surplus to needs( How a stopper with limited skills got a three year deal is beyond me)

Trengove backup only

Dunn ditto

Blease needs to show a lot more than a flash runs out of breath far too easily!

Waiting in wings Fitzy, Gawn, and a few others!

Take it or leave it

The latter.

B: Garland Frawley Terlich

HB: Clisby McDonald Grimes

C: Watts N Jones Vince

HF: Howe Hogan Cross

F: Dawes Clark Kent

Foll: Gawn Viney Trengove

Int: Tyson McKenzie M Jones

Sub: Toumpas

Garland, Frawley and McDonald pick themselves.

Terlich was terrific in his first year and while his disposal can let him down, I think he is a great back pocket player in the ilk of the wrecker Matty Whelan.

Clisby showed enough in his first year to earn a place and his upgrade to the senior list shows that the club has faith in him.

Grimes plays his best footy off a half back flank.

Watts and Vince on each wing with their good disposal. Hoping to see plenty of inside 50's from the pair.

N Jones is obviously the midfield general.

Howe no longer needs to play in the midfield so will solely play on the half forward flank and provide a great target with his sure hands.

Cross on the other flank and will also play through the midfield.

Big Hulk at centre half forward. He will hold his own and won't be intimidated in his first year at AFL level. Too good to be sitting in a forward pocket.

Dawes, when fit, provides another great option up forward so will sit in a pocket.

Clark at full forward. I pray that he stays fit for the whole season and bags plenty of goals. Will also pinch hit in the ruck when required.

Kent showed great signs in his first year and will start his career in the forward line with stints in the middle. Will eventually become a pure mid once players like Cross and Vince have finished their careers.

Gawn is the most talented ruckman on the list and with a good pre-season can become our number one ruck with assistance from Clark.

Viney is obviously a combative beast and an injury free 2014 will see him make huge strides at AFL level.

Trengove without the pressures of the captaincy will become the player that he has always been touted to be. An uninterrupted pre-season is very important for Trenners.

Tyson has a stack of potential and is a walk up start in our best 22.

McKenzie to be played purely as a tagger stopping the best player from each team week in, week out.

M Jones deserves a place in the best 22 after a great first season. Not a big talent but a work horse and not in our best 18 but deserves a spot in our best side.

Toumpas to start as the sub after an indifferent first year and will no doubt prove that he is in our best 21 in no time.

Michie has loads of talent but isn't a walk up start just yet. Some good VFL form will get him called up to the Seniors.

Fitzpatrick will come in to the side as soon as any of Dawes, Hogan or Clark is unavailable. But he is behind all 3 right now.

Blease needs to be consistent at VFL level to get a call up to the 1's. Has shown that he can be a player but goes missing far too often.

Evans is unlucky to not be in the best 22 but out midfield recruits have pushed him out at the moment. Hopefully he can find a place in our best 22.

The remainder of the list are mostly depth players and will need to do a lot to crack into our best 22.

If we can avoid injuries to our key players then we can expect massive improvement from our Dees in 2014.

i like it, i see cross playing more down back than forward but other than that, well done.

FB: Clisby Frawley Garland

HB: Terlich McDonald Grimes

C: M Jones N jones Michie*

HF: Vince* Dawes Watts

FF: Hogan* Clark Howe

Foll: Gawn Viney Trengove*

Int: Cross* Tyson* Toumpus SUB KENT

*new to club

I would have N Jones as captain and Garland as vice captain.

That would be my team as it stands atm.. And would be a massive improvement on the demons team that started in 2013.

Which looked like this.

B. Gillies^ Frawley Dunn

HB. Grimes Garland Blease

C. Jones N. Jones Toumpus

HF Tapscott Pedersen Howe

F J. Watts Clark Sellar^

R. Jamar Viney Sylvia^

Rodan^ Mckenzie Nicholson Byrnes

^delisted retired left

Edited November 4, 201311 yr by PurpleHaze12

Only rarely do I engage, but being stuck at home behind a computer writing another drab booklet for a client sends me a bit silly at times unless I can daydream about potentail line-ups for 2014. This idle navel leather gazing has been a past time of mine, rather sadly, since the 70s. Eventually I'll select one that wins a premiership.

Anyhow, here's one of my all too infrequent contributions.

FB: Terlich Frawley Garland

HB: Toumpas McDonald Grimes

C: Watts N Jones Viney

HF: Howe Dawes Vince

FF: Hogan Clark Kent

R: Gawn Tyson Michie

I: Trengove Cross Jones

Sub: Salem (P9 - like the sound of this kid)

Terlich Frawley Dunn

Grimes McDonald Garland

Trengove Michie Tyson

Watts Dawes Cross

Kent Clark Howe

Jamar, N Jones, Viney

Vince, McKenzie, Toumpas,

Sub: Pick 9

Terlich Frawley Dunn

Grimes McDonald Garland

Trengove Michie Tyson

Watts Dawes Cross

Kent Clark Howe

Jamar, N Jones, Viney

Vince, McKenzie, Toumpas,

Sub: Pick 9

Hoges not good enough yet?

You may just see him rejuvinated GM! He has the skill set

the skill set to beat a Sam Mitchell at a stoppage? Get real. Jack Watts is not a stoppage player...yet. doesn't have the balls yet. Around stoppages we need Tyson, Viney, Jones, Vince, Trengove and Michie.

the skill set to beat a Sam Mitchell at a stoppage? Get real. Jack Watts is not a stoppage player...yet. doesn't have the balls yet. Around stoppages we need Tyson, Viney, Jones, Vince, Trengove and Michie.

Michie?

At the moment he is a good WAFL player.

And being a good midfielder involves much more that 'beating Sam Mitchell in a stoppage.'

If Watts can spread and get 20 Uncontested Possessions a game and 6 Inside 50s we will be a much better team.

It starts at the stoppage, can Tyson and Jones and Viney win the clearance? And get the ball going forward where we can hit up Hogan or Dawes or Clark or Howe, if this doesn't work its about damage control and our defensive game, putting pressure on the opposition ball carrier and picking up loose players, having a defensive press to keep the ball in our forward half.

Gut running and fitness through the midfield is what we need.

Our rebounding defenders need to have huge years, Grimes and possibly Vince across half back need to be clean with disposal and aggressive with their run and carry.

Back: Frawley Garland Terlich

Vince McDonald Grimes

Mid: M.Jones Jones Trengove

Fwd: Clark Dawes Watts

Cross Hogan Howe

Ruc: Gawn/Spencer/Jamar, Tyson Viney

Int: Toumpas. Tapscott. Kent

Sub. Michie.

Emg. Dunn Blease Strauss Clisby Fitzpatrick

Michie?

At the moment he is a good WAFL player.

And being a good midfielder involves much more that 'beating Sam Mitchell in a stoppage.'

If Watts can spread and get 20 Uncontested Possessions a game and 6 Inside 50s we will be a much better team.

20 uncontested possessions possible 6 inside 50's probably unlikely,meanwhile a Sam Mitchell playing the same position has 35 possessions 6 inside 50's and 10 tackles...oh plus 1 goal to his name, and what about clearences? How would Watts compare to a Swan or Selwood. My point being Watts can not match it with the best midfielders and should not be played as a center or RR.

I have friend's who have followed Michie, and they have HUGE raps on him. I think we will be surprised by him.