Both these guys were taken well ahead of when the "experts" predicted.

We kept trying to pick diamonds from amongst the gravel.

To do that you have to be very good as a recruiter.

Clearly we were not that clever

You know, if you read what I said, I agreed with that.

Their premature selection aside, they were still talented players taken onto our list. Take their draft pick allocation out of the equation - we brought in Cook, who had the talent of a pick 30-odd, and Gysberts, who had the talent of a pick 20-odd.

Within three years they're both gone.

That's where the development argument comes into it.

Sorry I don't agree with you.

If you pick poorly there is no amount of development that will turn a Cook or Gysberts into a good player.

Our biggest problem over the last decade has been poor selection.

It is very difficult to turn a sow's ear into a silk purse.

I can't even be bothered to argue with you.

Wines is a star again Melboune showed poore judgement picking Toumpa Jimmy the Greek will be a fringe player never a star It is so obvious

We as a club have no bloody idea Hope Roos can change it

Yes, I understand his argument.

His support for his argument is that Wines played well in a final.

That argument is ridiculous, which is what I posted above.

Don't you get it? I apologise I know you are a little slow.

Hey Titan are you watching now

Wines is a star again Melboune showed poore judgement picking Toumpa Jimmy the Greek will be a fringe player never a star It is so obvious

We as a club have no bloody idea Hope Roos can change it

Gee, do you think we should have taken Wines?

I was listening to a recruiter on the radio yesterday, he was talking about how they evaluate players. One of the methods of separating players was to project how they saw each player in 3-5 years time. We haven't even come close to giving Toumpas that sort of grace, particularly considering he was coming off a limited preseason due to injury and are comparing him to a ready made player. At this stage we've not considered the merits of their scope for improvement.

But in reference to the early calls for Wines, at the time I remember a lot of talk about how he was good mates with Viney and wanted to play for the Dees. I wonder how many people actually saw both players in action, and didn't just base their choice on some sort of romantic notion of getting in Wines because he's a highly rated player, likes the Dees and is Viney's best mate.

There's the possibility we did get it wrong, but it's too early to call at this stage.

Listen to the drums MFC doesnt have 3 to 5 years Geeus!!

You know, if you read what I said, I agreed with that.

Their premature selection aside, they were still talented players taken onto our list. Take their draft pick allocation out of the equation - we brought in Cook, who had the talent of a pick 30-odd, and Gysberts, who had the talent of a pick 20-odd.

Within three years they're both gone.

That's where the development argument comes into it.

No mate thats exactly where the selection ability comes in to it MFC have not selected well cant you see that ??

I can't even be bothered to argue with you

YOU are so right Good luck defending against the idiots on this site

Gee, do you think we should have taken Wines?

What do do you reckon??

LOL!!!! What a load of garbage all you Keyboard Warriors!! Has any of you ever set foot an a Footy oval??? Let it be Pulease!!!! Admins, end this thread.

Hey Sambo

You had better realise any body who uses the term Keyboard Warrior is dismissed out of hand

BTW who are you havn't seen you on the site before Who are you Really??YOu wouldnt be a Ghost

What do do you reckon??

I'm happy with the selection we made. Besides, we change change what has already occurred.

Wines is a star again Melboune showed poore judgement picking Toumpa Jimmy the Greek will be a fringe player never a star It is so obvious

We as a club have no bloody idea Hope Roos can change it

From what I've seen Wines has had an average night. He's been caught a lot with the ball and the stats say no effective tackles??(can't be right). He's had a massive year and is going to be a great player as will Jimmy T. As with Watts lets revisit this in 2-3 years.

From what I've seen Wines has had an average night. He's been caught a lot with the ball and the stats say no effective tackles??(can't be right). He's had a massive year and is going to be a great player as will Jimmy T. As with Watts lets revisit this in 2-3 years.

Mate How do you know Jimmy will be a star are you something of a clairvoyont?

I'm happy with the selection we made. Besides, we change change what has already occurred.

Good you are happy lets see what happens next year

Mate How do you know Jimmy will be a star are you something of a clairvoyont?

how do you know Wines will be a star? He could become a Rhys Palmer or develop the exact same way Daniel Rich who has been slow in development since his debut year. Both will be good players but your out wack

Not sure who will be better in the future. There does seem to be a fair bit of premature adulation on here for Wines. Thought his second half was pretty disappointing.

Mate How do you know Jimmy will be a star are you something of a clairvoyont?

I didn't say star as I think that tag is thrown around to often. I said I think he will be a great player. No I'm not a clairvoyant I'm wrong plenty of times. I haven't seen all the games he played this year but from what I have seen there has been good and bad. We know he has good disposal. Because we've been down for so long we want all our draft picks to impact games straight away. Geelong and Collingwood have built environments that allow young talent to come in and find their feet.

After watching the replay will Wines think he should off shot the handball out rather than take on the pack? I'm not p##sing on Wines as I said I think he will be a great player. He's only 18, Port has had a amazing year and set the bar for themselves.

Wines is a star again Melboune showed poore judgement picking Toumpa Jimmy the Greek will be a fringe player never a star It is so obvious

We as a club have no bloody idea Hope Roos can change it

Gee, do you think we should have taken Wines?

And, of course, had the picks gone the other way, Jimmy the Greek may have played finals tonight, and may have done ok, whereas Wines would have played all year in the worst team in living memory.

Or maybe you are suggesting that Wines could have lifted us to finals, and Jimmy would have dragged Port down into the doldrums :-))

It is an unanswerable question.

Hey Sambo

You had better realise any body who uses the term Keyboard Warrior is dismissed out of hand

BTW who are you havn't seen you on the site before Who are you Really??YOu wouldnt be a Ghost

I'm not a ghost sunshine. I'm not a racist either. You'r a nut job mate. Look out of your bedroom window. The 2 guys wearing white lab coats and carrying the straight jacket are for you. Promise we will all come and visit!

Wines is a star again Melboune showed poore judgement picking Toumpa Jimmy the Greek will be a fringe player never a star It is so obvious

We as a club have no bloody idea Hope Roos can change it

Perhaps Roos will start by not lumping the weight of the world onto 18 year old rookies and actually allow them to develop organically, rather than expecting them to be Chris Judd in their first year and giving up on them when they aren't.

Let the kid have some pre-seasons into his body before you declare him a failure.

Edited September 13, 201311 yr by Pates

Perhaps Roos will start by not lumping the weight of the world onto 18 year old rookies and actually allow them to develop organically, rather than expecting them to be Chris Judd in their first year and giving up on them when they aren't.

Let the kid have some pre-seasons into his body before you declare him a failure.

You can try Pates, but talking sense to that troll is a total waste of time.

I hate Ollie Wines.

Well done.

Did anyone read the Robbo article on the Wines family in today's Hun? Ummm. Mum is very vocal. Hated the Draft day experience. I reckon there would be about 1000 families who would trade places. Ollie sounds like a great bloke though. Wish him all the success in the world in his career.

From what I've seen Wines has had an average night. He's been caught a lot with the ball and the stats say no effective tackles??(can't be right). He's had a massive year and is going to be a great player as will Jimmy T. As with Watts lets revisit this in 2-3 years.

Wines is like a number of the small type players like Daniel Rich and Rys Palmer who are strong early and come on very quickly but don't get much better as they get older.