Don't be amazed by anything this time of year! Many unexpected trades will happen. Even some of our players are in for a surprise!

So it would be 2nd round plus a player for Adams. Who's the player?

Rumours of Patton to the dogs too, so would give GWS pick 1,2 and 4!

Would only fly if they land franklin i would have thought, though i guess he has to recover from a serious knee injury

If Richmond keep Dustin Martin, they have no room for Adams, especially at the money he's being offered elsewhere (like MFC).

I think he's being winkled out of there. & I wonder if his manager is also. not long for the afl?

I reckon the stars are aligning, buds yet to sign, Adams is up 'N' about, & whats that young Tyro from up at GWS doing?

I reckon he'll end up going where he's told.

Rumours of Patton to the dogs too, so would give GWS pick 1,2 and 4!

More kids, the last thing they need

So it would be 2nd round plus a player for Adams. Who's the player?

Let's stir the pot a little bit. What would people say if it was Howe? Surely it has to be Howe. He's one of the only players that has any trade currency and even then it's minimal. Some absolute spuds have found homes though, post MFC over the last few seasons.

I'm told Adams isn't actually homesick. FWIW.

I'm told Adams isn't actually homesick. FWIW.

Well his manager Scott Lucas on SEN today said that Adams is looking to move back to Victoria, and he has spoke to 3 or 4 clubs.

Apparently GWS have a few other priorities over keeping him.

I keep hearing Howe's name come up in footy circles as the bait. Lots of chat at a local GF last weekend

I keep hearing Howe's name come up in footy circles as the bait. Lots of chat at a local GF last weekend

In a heartbeat.

Howe for Adams?

Where do I sign??

I keep hearing Howe's name come up in footy circles as the bait. Lots of chat at a local GF last weekend

I actually would not be to upset at losing Howe. He is to much of a highlight reel player. Has talent but very inconsistent - doesn't really have a set position either.

Having said that I could see him being a forward flank and drifting up the ground (taking marks on the wing).

We have plenty of tall forwards, no real mid sized or small forwards so it would be a lose there (maybe Kent/Barry - I more see them as future mids/wingmen).

If Sylvia and Howe left we would need to look at getting some medium-small forwards but that should be easier than getting A grade mids.

Edited September 25, 201311 yr by Young Dee

Can't afford to lose Jurrah and then Howe... No kids will want to follow us and there goes our future membership base

There seems to be a growing consensus that Howe is a one trick pony and limited in what he can offer. I don't agree. He's been in the system for only three years, usually has great skills, is young, has a great tank, and is unbelievably athletic. In a diabolical era with no support from senior players (because they don't exist) he's performed remarkably well. I accept he went missing in the second half of the year, but like Watts, he's been moved around a lot. I'm genuinely surprised at the willingness to move him on. He's played 56 games and only just coming into his best years.

We're not so full of riches that I'd trade a guy of his talent. A must keep for me.

We all love Howey but his worst is very poor. He becomes the invisible man and I'm sick of that trait in our players. We need more who demand the ball.

In saying that, I don't think his marketing value should be easily dismissed. He has carried the lion's share in motivating people to come through the gates to watch another Melbourne massacre. His set shots have also noticably improved. Haven't checked the stats but he certainly looks more comfortable.

Howe for Adams would be a no brainer when you consider the existing weaponry in the forward line, but I'd be sorry to see him go.

It seems that Adams has a heap of suitors, so unless we can pay him significantly more it's highly questionable that he'll end up at Melbourne. You'd put it in the highly doubtful category.

That said, you don't have to trade Howe to get him. There are plenty of ways to skin a cat and I very much doubt that not trading Howe would be problematic.

There seems to be a growing consensus that Howe is a one trick pony and limited in what he can offer. I don't agree. He's been in the system for only three years, usually has great skills, is young, has a great tank, and is unbelievably athletic. In a diabolical era with no support from senior players (because they don't exist) he's performed remarkably well. I accept he went missing in the second half of the year, but like Watts, he's been moved around a lot. I'm genuinely surprised at the willingness to move him on. He's played 56 games and only just coming into his best years.

We're not so full of riches that I'd trade a guy of his talent. A must keep for me.

He's obviously not alone in the following respect, but he rarely chases. If his tank is such a weapon for him (something that is consistently sprouted on DL), where are his high tackle counts? You don't have to have a set position to be able to lay tackles.

I'm not saying this sort of flaw cannot be worked on, but he will be starved out of the forwardline. He'll have to play midfield or lift his workrate in the forwardline. I know trading Howe is not ideal, but we need tradables. Our midfield awaits. He is about the only one that may have some currency that we don't lose big with on the flip side. Given he's a must keep, I take it you'd prefer to keep him rather than wrangle a trade for say Adams or Swallow? I'd prefer to see Adams or Swallow running run in the red and blue.

I take it you'd prefer to keep him rather than wrangle a trade for say Adams or Swallow? I'd prefer to see Adams or Swallow running run in the red and blue.

Clubs land players all the time and manage to keep who they want. It is possible. It doesn't have to be either/or.

Having been to a third of preseason training I can vouch for his tank.

You'd trade him, I wouldn't, no biggie. It's how we see things. For the right deal I'd trade every player on the list accept Hogan. So I get your motives. Just don't see the need or the return we'd get that makes it necessary.

Fair enough. I concur RE: we could land either of the aforementioned players without giving up Howe.

If we were getting a top 5 pick or a star of the game I would include Howe with little hesitation.

But is still believe that Ryan O'Keefe can be emulated by Jeremy. Roos most likely will back himself to bring it out.

As Lucas said, the most important element of where any player will get traded to is the ability to get a deal done.

I don't buy the talk of a trade involving our 2nd round pick, as much as it would excite me.

I think Collingwood will get him.

They'll have a compo pick for Thomas at 11, which is about right.

Buckley also highly rates Adams, and coached him as a junior.

I'd pay him over to get him to the club.

I just hope Roos has the lure some of us seem to imagine.

yes reports are that Pies, Tigers and Bombers are in the running for Adams (Pies as favourites). Highly unlikely to choose MFC.

yes reports are that Pies, Tigers and Bombers are in the running for Adams (Pies as favourites). Highly unlikely to choose MFC.

If Shaw stays it should help us, as mentioned before offer him big coin. Pies and tigers can't have to much money to play with.

A good source told me that Richmond cannot trade their 1st round pick without specific board approval - they wrote that in their rules.

Edited September 25, 201311 yr by Fifty-5

It's moments like these a mid or end of round pick would have been handy, but we cannot dwell on that no longer. More than likely it will be the size of the offer to player and club GWS. Collingwood I'd imagine would be in the prime position - but that is dependent upon who else they have in mind for Shaw. One thing they will have is a little wiggle room in their cap. They already possess a terrific midfield, but they will need to replace Daisy (if he goes). The Bombers would have to trade and I'd imagine they would have to give up a reasonable player in need at GWS, because they don't have two picks to use. The Tigers, unless they can trade someone reasonable may struggle to get Adams. Which leaves us?

I'd say at present, given the delistings at the Pies and if Daisy does go to Blues, they could well be in the box seat after receiving a pick from the Blues.

Clubs land players all the time and manage to keep who they want. It is possible. It doesn't have to be either/or.

Having been to a third of preseason training I can vouch for his tank.

You'd trade him, I wouldn't, no biggie. It's how we see things. For the right deal I'd trade every player on the list accept Hogan. So I get your motives. Just don't see the need or the return we'd get that makes it necessary.

Ben, I'd trade Howe because he's a lot of not that much. He can play forward but I'm not sure how much he will once all the forwards are fit. He can play mid, but his defensive side and awareness are, IMO, pretty poor. He is an outside mid at best, but not that quick and not that skillful. His handball is not creative. So I actually think he is a half-forward who can run but he isn't a midfielder really and certainly not a defender. So we are then left with considering his role, whether than could be done by anyone else and whether trading him would address a deficit.

IMO the deficit (genuine mids) is a greater need to address than keeping a player who is a one-role player, and not that important a role at that. Now maybe roos can develop him...I think that is a big 'maybe'.