Oh come on. You get one lot regurgitating one side's line and the other lot regurgitating the other side's. They can't both be the full truth. In your world all a journalist has to to is to publish the press releases of the interested parties and their job is done. Why both with journalists at all?

Now now sue. You have gone from seeking out the truth to the full truth. I don't think you or I are in position to determine that. But the press on this saga has increasingly built their story on EFCs failures consistent with the extent of the charges on the Club.

And trying to misrepresent my position to try and salvage your shifting sand position surprises me that your not a card carry member of those you seek to deride.

Interestingly as I note a slight nervousness in JH...I sense a reluctant AD sniffing the kill. He didnt want to. but the Hills being Windy are giving him no choice.

Curiously the arrogance of Little does Hird no favours.it gives him a false sense of brotherhood. Little can weather this Hird will be destroyed

oh well

If you have an issue you should always address the problem at the source.

The AFLs hotchpotch handling of the guilty parties in the MFC tanking and the Crows draft corruption has already soiled their integrity.

This cuts to the core of the game and the critical issue of player welfare where WADA and the ACC are involved and the sporting world is watching this.

I don't think the AFL will breach its TV rights obligations voluntarily by excluding Essendon but its impossible for Hird and others to survive this.

Once Essendon gets smart and realises that this has become all about Hird fighting for his integrity and trashing his club in the process then they will decouple the 4 aminos. Heaven help them if the ASADA final report issues one infraction notice on an Essendon player.

And when the dust does Paul Little should be jettisoned urgently as he has been pivotal in exacerbating the problem and has left the clubs relationship with the AFL, government bodies, the other 17 clubs , its players and the general public in tatters.

A disgraceful episode in AFL history and the worst in the clubs long history.

Spot on!

So you sue before the hearing claim lack of natural justice.

I am not a lawyer but surely one would assume you takes this action after the hearing.

theres nothing logical hear... A rat is being backed into a corner

game on

popcorn anyone ?

Now now sue. You have gone from seeking out the truth to the full truth. I don't think you or I are in position to determine that. But the press on this saga has increasingly built their story on EFCs failures consistent with the extent of the charges on the Club.

And trying to misrepresent my position to try and salvage your shifting sand position surprises me that your not a card carry member of those you seek to deride.

Gosh, I don't see that I have shifted the goalposts. When I said 'truth' in the first post, in my naive way I assumed it meant the "full truth'. What sort of partial truth is there - it ain't the truth if it is not complete. Don't bother to respond, we clearly live on different planets in this.

Interestingly as I note a slight nervousness in JH...I sense a reluctant AD sniffing the kill. He didnt want to. but the Hills being Windy are giving him no choice.

Curiously the arrogance of Little does Hird no favours.it gives him a false sense of brotherhood. Little can weather this Hird will be destroyed

oh well

and the down side is?

and the down side is?

did i infer there was one...my bad

did i infer there was one...my bad

ROFLMAO

Did you hear the ever so slight hesitations ? he knows hes on a hiding to nothing....actually...just a hiding !!

muwhahahaha !!

Hird is at the point of no return. He may still believe he can escape with his reputation in tact, but that is quite clearly delusional . I am reminded of the photograph of Lance Armstrong posing in front of his 7 yellow jerseys after USADA had investigated him. Lance seemed to almost enjoy the moment. A reasonable person in Hird's position would have backed down long ago. You would do it for your Club and the game you love not to mention your family and friends. What does that say about the man that he refuses to accept responsibility for the mess he has created.

Gosh, I don't see that I have shifted the goalposts. When I said 'truth' in the first post, in my naive way I assumed it meant the "full truth'. What sort of partial truth is there - it ain't the truth if it is not complete. Don't bother to respond, we clearly live on different planets in this.

And as I have asked a number of times how would you know what the [insert your choice of truth] actually is?

Do they have shifting sands on your planet? Now be truthful.....

Hird is at the point of no return. He may still believe he can escape with his reputation in tact, but that is quite clearly delusional . I am reminded of the photograph of Lance Armstrong posing in front of his 7 yellow jerseys after USADA had investigated him. Lance seemed to almost enjoy the moment. A reasonable person in Hird's position would have backed down long ago. You would do it for your Club and the game you love not to mention your family and friends. What does that say about the man that he refuses to accept responsibility for the mess he has created.

actually...past the point of return

This* club is at the precipice. ( *that club- Messendon)

Cant believe how bizarrely ridiculous they are acting. Shrinks would have a ball !!

Vlad is warming up the industrial fly swatter !!

amazing..

Denial to the max.

This* club is at the precipice. ( *that club- Messendon)

Cant believe how bizarrely ridiculous they are acting. Shrinks would have a ball !!

Vlad is warming up the industrial fly swatter !!

amazing..

Denial to the max.

hahaha!

The industrial Fly Swatter. Gold.

Windy Pill is not HQ.

JH has gone off his head

Couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of turds...

Messendon the place where Windy Pill will be.

Meanwhile as this farce continues lets fast forward to this farce in the Supreme Court...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkS6R0YtobQ

Meanwhile as this farce continues lets fast forward to this farce in the Supreme Court...

hahaha Lionel Hutz.

"You want a whiskey?"

"It's 8 o'clock in the morning sir"

"Well i haven't slept in 3 days so that's not important..."

On CH9, Gary Lyon has stated that if it is proven that the Mexican sourced substance was administered to the 34 players, as stated in the charges document, and if he was a current Essendon player, he would walk out and encourage his team mates to do the same.

This would be the right response from a player. I expect that the Essendon players will be considering their health, at the moment. Morale would be so low. Hird must be losing the dressing room - why would you listen to him, when he is so self-centred?

The train wreck is happening. This will make Melbourne look like we had a good year.

You should fire up a dormant drive every 6-12 months. Keep the bearings alive. They are the first bit to go.

yeah,,they dry out...oh well

No chance.

MFC has had it's worst year in living memory.

The Bombers went one better.

They have had their worst year ever in 2013.

And 2014 could be even worse for the Bombers.

This is a good Footy Classified. Even the velvet sledgehammer is in shock.

I have always said WADA is the final barrier.

They won't win. The harder they push the more pain will be felt.

Essendon are GONE. The entire club is emersed...

Had to laugh when Messendon suggested the AFL was running to an agenda.

Of course they are you bunch of fools ....its called being accountable to a higher signatory.

The AFL has to follow rules and so to must you Messendon...thats the agenda.

its not personal Paul, James, Mark, Stephen, Dean and Co

this mob must be on something !!!...oh wait.....

Interesting mention on the show of rumoured suggested penalty by agreement was $2.5m fine, loss of two years draft picks, didn't specify which ones and 12 month suspension for Hird. Bombers and Hird knocked it back.

I think that is pretty light, considering it is the worst scandal in the history of the game.

They must now be looking at more, when they go down.

Air Crash Investigation are on standby apparently !!