J Hird: "I am Essendon at this stage..."

I like Tanya's quotes that "we were told at a time when we shouldn't been told that". Squeeeeeeel' squeeeel like a pig.

I am staggered that Mrs Hird can dump on AD for making that (alleged) warning call to Essendon at great risk to himself of criminal prosecution. With friends like her who needs enemies.

last leg to stand on,guilty as charged your honour,buuuuut the afl did tip efc off and we think that helps our cause for a fair and just hearing.please show mercy and see another picture that were painting for you.

in the words of jnrmac,their well and truly ******.

looks like the kids are going to learn french and eat snails for 12 years.

The Hird's. I am staggered at the gall of them. We know JH is a cheat but her with legal training!

Hearsay, gossip and spin, Mrs JH says she overheard a phone call between her husband and someone she presumes to be the EFC Chairman talking about someone else, Andrew D. That will stand up in court. I think not. Spin, spin, spin. The Hird's couldn't give a jatz cracker for anyone but themselves.

ASADA have already cleared Andrew D of telling EFC to fess up because ASADA had not told Andrew D who the club was. Game set and match. Yet we still hear the bleating from the Hird sooks. Not once have we heard them say how angry they are that the players were subjected to the nightmare program that has engulfed the EFC.

The sooner this whole affair is over the better. I look forward to the day that I never hear from JH & the missus again.

Is it possible that Hird and Co are preparing thier defence? They have spent the las 18 months dicreditiing the process and the fairness of the investigation. I recon their defence to any charges will be justhat. It will then be irrelevant what the players were given because the evidence may be found to be flawed and therefore unable to stand up in court.

This bloke should be run out of the game. In hindsight I recon the AFL shoul have stood back and let everything unfold and if that meant a Melbourne Storm scenario at the conclusion then so be it. They have tried to control the issue and may as a result have handed Hird a defence.

I can't see any other decision to sack Hird, while it would create another distraction for the club and players i can't see how they can move forward with him, as long as James Hird is coach i feel people will view the bombers as cheats

i hope Bomber doesn't keep going after this year and Neil Craig inherits a good list, he deserves another crack at senior coaching

i have no doubt if we didn't get Roosy he'd be our coach.

Sorry Sass but do you mean any other descision but to sack Hird?

I just can't see that, that would just make no sense to me as they have just had him discuss his return to the club on there website that they asked sign of for from AD. I just can't see them less than a week later sacking him, why would they go through all of that song and dance of supporting him to turn around so quickly to dump him?

Is it possible that Hird and Co are preparing thier defence? They have spent the las 18 months dicreditiing the process and the fairness of the investigation. I recon their defence to any charges will be justhat. It will then be irrelevant what the players were given because the evidence may be found to be flawed and therefore unable to stand up in court.

This bloke should be run out of the game. In hindsight I recon the AFL shoul have stood back and let everything unfold and if that meant a Melbourne Storm scenario at the conclusion then so be it. They have tried to control the issue and may as a result have handed Hird a defence.

hindsight would say this,but the afl and efc have done everything to protect the players first and this is starting to backfire.

id imagine the way its been done was considered right.

unfortunately mrs H has seen the writing on the wall for awhile and the only leaks and stories unfolding since september 2013 have come from the H camp.this is just another roll of the dice.

Is it possible that Hird and Co are preparing thier defence? They have spent the las 18 months dicreditiing the process and the fairness of the investigation. I recon their defence to any charges will be justhat. It will then be irrelevant what the players were given because the evidence may be found to be flawed and therefore unable to stand up in court.

This bloke should be run out of the game. In hindsight I recon the AFL shoul have stood back and let everything unfold and if that meant a Melbourne Storm scenario at the conclusion then so be it. They have tried to control the issue and may as a result have handed Hird a defence.

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What Tanya and James have recently said has virtually killed Hirds career. I also wonder if James interview on the fan site was sanctioned by the club. Little has said that recent comments have been unhelpful aluding to both Hirds. The timing of these comments appear to have a double effect of both destabilising the AFL and the club. I struggle to see what real outcome Tanya is looking for by her comments. The cynic in me tends to think that they are going to make a lot of noise and be serial pests for more financial gain. They may be looking for a fat payout to go quietly. Living in France is expensive.

r

What Tanya and James have recently said has virtually killed Hirds career. I also wonder if James interview on the fan site was sanctioned by the club. Little has said that recent comments have been unhelpful aluding to both Hirds. I struggle to see what real outcome Tanya is looking for by her comments. The cynic in me tends to think that they are going to make a lot of noise and be serial pests for more financial gain. They may be looking for a fat payout to go quietly. Living in France is expensive.

ADC isn't the fan site the Bombers own site?

ADC isn't the fan site the Bombers own site?

It may be but given Hird's talent for slimy machinations he could have engineered it. Does not sound right that the club could have approved such content prior to the start of the season..

abdicated many of their rights under sovereign law and placed themselves in the hands of WADA. This means that the Court of Arbitration in Sport is the ultimate court of appeal in these matters.

Without wanting to incur a legal bill I'm interested in the concept of "burden of proof". Could the Essendon players appeal on the basis that the finding was wrong because whilst there might have been circumstantial evidence it wasn't significant to reasonably conclude they were given banned drugs.

BTW, what on earth was Tania doing last night. They deserve each other.

Hail James, the exalted leader of everything great in this hemisphere -

actually, he's representing his own greed & self interest, IMO.

the worst of 'self', & being bigger than club & game.

As I recall, some of the EFC players were used as testing subjects for some sort of study and weren't told.

Whoever was running that study surely has records of what those subjects were given, dosages, timeline etc.

I'll try to dig up a link.

Edit: here we go:

http://www.smh.com.au/afl/afl-news/bombers-players-were-treated-like-guinea-pigs-20130629-2p3x2.html

Says that results were possibly passed on to external parties. If a third party was conducting a clinical trial, they MUST have data on it.

Also says the EFC deny these claims, so it could all be hot air.

Further clarification:

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/afl/essendon-players-not-part-of-clinical-trial-pharmaceutical-company/story-fnca0u4y-1226687451443

Looks like what I remembered were actually just 'notes' from Dank given to a clinical trial, not actually the trial itself.

Still, it means Dank has some data...

probably only for the drugs he has the letter for as said to be legitimate? so they perform tests?

anything under the counter will be in unmarked bottles for sure. maybe colour coded.

It may be but given Hird's talent for slimy machinations he could have engineered it. Does not sound right that the club could have approved such content prior to the start of the season..

But they did, they have a media manager who would have to approve the content and one can only assume with the profile and the issues it relates to the Legal team and CEO would have signed off on it too.

The Hird's. I am staggered at the gall of them. We know JH is a cheat but her with legal training!

Hearsay, gossip and spin, Mrs JH says she overheard a phone call between her husband and someone she presumes to be the EFC CEO talking about someone else, Andrew D. That will stand up in court. I think not. Spin, spin, spin. The Hird's couldn't give a jatz cracker for anyone but themselves.

ASADA have already cleared Andrew D of telling EFC to fess up because ASADA had not told Andrew D who the club was. Game set and match. Yet we still hear the bleating from the Hird sooks. Not once have we heard them say how angry they are that the players were subjected to the nightmare program that has engulfed the EFC.

The sooner this whole affair is over the better. I look forward to the day that I never hear from JH & the missus again.

All true. But with respect to the bolded sentence, isn't it odd that AD didn't feel obliged to call all of the clubs, but seemed to know which club needed warning. Assuming ASADA didn't tell him as you state, it must have been well known around the AFL that Essendon were up to no good.

Their so-called Doc would have been rubbed out by now if it wasn't for AD trying to help the club and then threatened with court. What a bunch of dirty ingrates.

opinion,

well biff told that and im spreading it.

you've gotta have something to grind on whilst typing. grains of salt are, well too gritty.

I like Tanya's quotes that "we were told at a time when we shouldn't been told that". Squeeeeeeel' squeeeel like a pig.

It may be but given Hird's talent for slimy machinations he could have engineered it. Does not sound right that the club could have approved such content prior to the start of the season..

Tanya is either deeply into the scheming, and / or resurrects the stereotype of the blonde bimbo !

Tanya still doesnt realise that THE ONLY REASON AD would contact essendon was so they would self report SO THEIR PUNISHMENT WOULD BE HALVED.

they get huge discounts for self reporting.

AD was protecting them and they have burned him again and again.

There wont be any protection now....

I think they will,, but their will now be casualties. & AD has just announced.

hird is in deep dodo. & getting dirtier, as tania opens her mouth again. just go to a dentist tania.

Without wanting to incur a legal bill I'm interested in the concept of "burden of proof". Could the Essendon players appeal on the basis that the finding was wrong because whilst there might have been circumstantial evidence it wasn't significant to reasonably conclude they were given banned drugs.

BTW, what on earth was Tania doing last night. They deserve each other.

Don't they just! Finally a number of the Bombers fans I know are now starting to turn on the Brand Hird regime and are looking for closure for the club and players rather than protecting the golden boy as they once did. I think they finally see it now... Some predicting if they lose tonight then the Board might just say enough is enough, you are to much of a distraction please go away. I just can't see it happening but then again it was reported the Bomber had asked Brand Hird, including the likes of Hanke, to cease commenting in public. Brand Hird said they would do no such thing.

ABC news, Little & Eddie Everywhere:

Asked on whether Hird's tenure with Essendon was becoming untenable, Little said: "Up until the events of the last 24 hours we believed that James was acting and responding to our requests in a positive way.

"The club will need to meet now Eddie to determine how we go forward in relation to the James Hird issue and probably the broader group that surround James."

What game are the Hirds playing?

All true. But with respect to the bolded sentence, isn't it odd that AD didn't feel obliged to call all of the clubs, but seemed to know which club needed warning. Assuming ASADA didn't tell him as you state, it must have been well known around the AFL that Essendon were up to no good.

Their so-called Doc would have been rubbed out by now if it wasn't for AD trying to help the club and then threatened with court. What a bunch of dirty ingrates.

Andrew D may have made a call to all clubs or the ones he suspected, along the lines of, If you guys have any dodgy programs now is the time to fess up to ASADA this will give the opportunity of reduced penalties.That the EFC Chairman thought he was getting a direct warning may have been an indication of EFC's guilt. Andrew D has said again this morning that he did not know which club at the time and therefore could not have given a direct warning. I reckon something was said but this is all spin , distracting from the real issue. EFC are cheats, the Hirds are [censored] and the players are victims.

But they did, they have a media manager who would have to approve the content and one can only assume with the profile and the issues it relates to the Legal team and CEO would have signed off on it too.

Hird may have a gag to stop him talking to the media but not to a fan site. He also still has a lot of supporters at the club and fan sites usually carry a lot of fluff and may not be scrupiously monitored by the the top echelon. I just cannot believe anyone in control could have let such inflamitory and destabilising comment from Hird be broadcast at the start of the season.

I think they will,, but their will now be casualties. & AD has just announced.

hird is in deep dodo. & getting dirtier, as tania opens her mouth again. just go to a dentist tania.

maybe tanya is modelling herself on Zarah Garde-Wilson

ABC news, Little & Eddie Everywhere:

Asked on whether Hird's tenure with Essendon was becoming untenable, Little said: "Up until the events of the last 24 hours we believed that James was acting and responding to our requests in a positive way.

"The club will need to meet now Eddie to determine how we go forward in relation to the James Hird issue and probably the broader group that surround James."

Sounds like a sacking to me. JH will need all the study in Paris and Havard he can get for free to prepare himself for a new careeer

What game are the Hirds playing

Andrew D may have made call to all clubs, along the lines of, If you guys have any dodgy programs now is the time to fess up to ASADA this will give the opportunity of reduced penalties.That the EFC CEO thought he was getting a direct warning may have been an indication of EFC's guilt. Andrew D has said again this morning that he did not know which club at the time and therefore could not have given a direct warning. I reckon something was said but this is all spin , distracting from the real issue. EFC are cheats, the Hirds are cheats & liars and the players are victims.

But I don't recall any other club at the time saying they had received a generic warning call. I suspect AD was so keen to help Essendone and the AFL he didn't think to cover his bum by making 17 other calls.