Is that official?

If so the Bombers will feel it from day 1 because they have no picks to trade with given they viewed themselves in the premiership window.

Still would have wanted the first 3 rounds of draft picks for two years being the penalty.

The AFL needs to send a very message to other clubs and the broader community.

On the basis of these penalties for very poor governance, the four aminos can't possibly stay. It makes no sense.

According to Caroline...

I bet Hird will get some sort of watered down sentence , like six months or something.

Is that official?

If so the Bombers will feel it from day 1 because they have no picks to trade with given they viewed themselves in the premiership window.

Still would have wanted the first 3 rounds of draft picks for two years being the penalty.

The AFL needs to send a very message to other clubs and the broader community.

On the basis of these penalties for very poor governance, the four aminos can't possibly stay. It makes no sense.

I essentially agree.

and im trying to be unbiased

I like your -3 picks x 2 .. would wear -2 x 2

points need to be from season 2014

Hird and cohorts ought to be banned for serious time. In some other codes they would invite lifetime bans, the AFL ought to take note and consider.

Very disappointed in the medico Reid. Not good enough Doc, as Derryn would say...Shame Shame Shame !!!

The AFL are compromised....thank god for WADA, I wait.

The hidden penalty will come in time. The loss of draft picks will be costly going well into the future and if the final ASADA report hasn't come out by the trade period then the Bombers are out of the picture there because nobody will want any of their players.

According to Caroline...

take it to the bank then

The hidden penalty will come in time. The loss of draft picks will be costly going well into the future and if the final ASADA report hasn't come out by the trade period then the Bombers are out of the picture there because nobody will want any of their players.

How are ya Alpha...whats your take on all this ?

Only the AFL could officiate a ludicrous enquiry outcome to suit its own ends yet still fine the club and officials when the football world believes we tanked. And we threw games to get draft picks. We tanked.

Nevertheless I believe the appalling governance failures at Essendon should result in the four aminos leaving. Whatever sympathy I might have had for Hird has gone as he has held the game to ransom and players welfare has been compromised.

I hope the fines, 2 years draft picks penalties and the loss of 2013 points goes ahead.

Agree RR, but I don't understand why you reference the tanking issue as if spanking ourselves is somehow useful or relevant. The only relevance is the relative penalties for tanking and 'supplementing'.

Forget the AFL's ludicrous outcome, assume we tanked outrageously and unprecedentedly, and then compare our penalties with what Essendon get for a far more serious 'crime'. How Hird can be fighting for a shorter ban than CC got is beyond reason and can only be explained by the relative power of a big club.

The hidden penalty will come in time. The loss of draft picks will be costly going well into the future and if the final ASADA report hasn't come out by the trade period then the Bombers are out of the picture there because nobody will want any of their players.

With Free Agency, for a rich club, the loss of draft picks is probably less of an effect than it was in the past, salary caps notwithstanding.

How are ya Alpha...whats your take on all this ?

Feel sorry for the Essendon players and their fans.

The players had a fantastic season under difficult circumstances and showed a lot more backbone than ours did under fire.

As for Hird, Dank, Robinson and co they can go suck eggs.

Feel sorry for the Essendon players and their fans.

The players had a fantastic season under difficult circumstances and showed a lot more backbone than ours did under fire.

As for Hird, Dank, Robinson and co they can go suck eggs.

You mis-spelled balls.

You mis-spelled balls.

Sorry, spellcheck's stufphed.

They deserve a lot more than just one year of draft penalties. It should be two years of their first two picks at a minimum.

And four months for Corcoran? What shite.

Let's not get into this again...

What the football world thinks is neither here nor there.

I have a Crows supporting mate who thinks they were hard done by moreso ......

Ah but you did.

I totally disagree about ignoring the view of the football world/general public.

Essendon have not broken any rule but there actions (or lack thereof) and their behaviour represented a breach of trust on the integrity of the actual club, their officials an the game.

And your point about your misguided mate at the Crows is no different to the holier than thou attitude of MFC and EFC supporters to thei clubs ills.

And it won't go past the public perception that MFC tanked, Adelaide manipulated the draft and Essendon have run a toxic cocktail session in their supplements division.

You an your Essendon peers can moralise all you want.

I will happily swap all our 2011, 12 and13 points for no half a million fine.

we dont have a fine OD...its a non event really all things considered

Agree RR, but I don't understand why you reference the tanking issue as if spanking ourselves is somehow useful or relevant. The only relevance is the relative penalties for tanking and 'supplementing'.

Forget the AFL's ludicrous outcome, assume we tanked outrageously and unprecedentedly, and then compare our penalties with what Essendon get for a far more serious 'crime'. How Hird can be fighting for a shorter ban than CC got is beyond reason and can only be explained by the relative power of a big club.

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You might want to ask all those that parrot on about the tanking penalties .....when we were contrived not guilty in a manner blind Freddie could see was a verdict to suit a purpose.

And as I have said often the suspension penalties on the 4 aminos should be tough and that Paul Little should go. They should be punished more heavily than those at MFC.

Essendon have not broken any rule but there actions (or lack thereof)

somewhere in amongst all this MUST come duty of care.

What they have broken is 'trust'

Feel sorry for the Essendon players and their fans.

The players had a fantastic season under difficult circumstances and showed a lot more backbone than ours did under fire.

As for Hird, Dank, Robinson and co they can go suck eggs.

When one player said "no I'm not being injected" the others would have been aware of this. Younger plays would have been overwhelmed by the Hird aura, the players should have asked questions.

Rumour from local barista, that is coffee maker not lawyer, that the AFL will give final offer at 3.00PM today and Essendon and individuals, have until 5.00PM to accept, or offer is off the table and a hearing will scheduled.

Sounds good, Redleg -- did the barista have any tips on the local banana cake?

When one player said "no I'm not being injected" the others would have been aware of this. Younger plays would have been overwhelmed by the Hird aura, the players should have asked questions.

Theres so much wrong about all this its hard to know where to start.

Given that half should have questioned and arced up a-la Reimers etc the other half ought to have been looked after by there club.

Basically it became "In Hird we trust" and he reamed them all up the .......

somewhere in amongst all this MUST come duty of care.

What they have broken is 'trust'

Agree with that . I should have put ASADA/WADA in front of rules. Duty of care is paramount.

I sat down earlier today and read in full the AFL charges. FMD. It's a cocktail of bad and very bad.

Agree with that . I should have put ASADA/WADA in front of rules. Duty of care is paramount.

I sat down earlier today and read in full the AFL charges. FMD. It's a cocktail of bad and very bad.

Its beyond scandalous really. Its sad for the players. Whilst they (players)have a duty, are responsibility to themselves they are , I'll concede pawns.

It just plain annoys me that those in the crosshairs are simply no seeing they did anything wrong... Honestly F*#! Them all !!

Two years of draft penalties. $2mil fine. Hird suspended for 12 months. Bomber Thompson fined.

Got off easy.

If this happened to us, we'd be finished.

Now Fark right off Essendon.

Enjoy your break Hirdy you [censored]!

Moving up a spot in the draft...nice.

Given that there may be further repercussions in respect to the players depending on the outcome of the ongoing ASADA investigation when it issues its final report, the Bombers will be hurting badly over this for a long time to come.

Essendon finish 9th and not last. I assume this is (among other things) to determine their entry into the draft i.e. in the third round.

I don't think they've gotten off lightly at all.

Spot on Jaded. Connolly got 12 months for far far less