Gysberts just turned 22 and is being developed (properly) on the wing like he should have been with MFC, Pedersen is 26, peak AFL age and has shown as much as he's going to show.

I'm staying on record as saying this will turn out to be a terrible trade.

I thought wingmen , in reality , disappeared years ago . Ah yes , Flower v Greig competing one-on-one out there . Now there can be every player in one half of the ground !

Yeah, but Gillies has only had two or so chances to suck at AFL Level with us before they ditched him back to Casey.

Pederson has been doing it nearly every week for a while now.

He wasn't too bad last match against the Hawks

http://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/2013-05-17/future-not-all-hell-for-the-demons

'The club also signed Lynden Dunn for two years after he finished the season well in 2012 and, in a surprise to many, gave recruit Cameron Pedersen a three-year contract in the off-season.'

Neeld's two worst list management decisions were to re-sign Dunn and to give Pedersen three years.

So we have that spud Dunn on our list for another year, FFS.

Pederson for 3 years is baffling to everyone, it just defies logic.

You've obviously forgotten Paul Johnson.

I think that's rubbish. Disappointing he might have been but like others I remember many gutsy efforts

He wasn't too bad last match against the Hawks

True.. Which is why I used the qualifier "nearly".

However, as we are currently striving for consistency as our first step in improving, he is not exactly a shining example.

He has potential and its hard to say who we would bring up from Casey instead.

Maybe he is just a hardened body, ie. cannon fodder, to take some of the heat until a better option is available.

We might have been better off getting Mitch Thorp after all

Saw Pederson up close for the first time last night also. The guy has very little/no muscle definition at all. Kind of like a magnified Gysberts I guess. It says a lot about the usefullness of Gillies if a tall guy that out of shape gets a defensive role ahead of him.

Sums up Neeld!

Nth Melb say he was the laziest spud going!

Rumour has it his salary is low.

Pay him out and use the spot on another Clisby

Low money being the key. Now with 18 clubs the talent pool gets thinner. If Frawley was fit would he have played? How are these players doing at the moment- Morton , Pettard, Stef Martin, Hudson, Knights, R Warnock. Some work , some don't , but coaches/ clubs back themselves to try and turn careers around. On the flipside if you have so many talented players unable to get a game because they are your clubs fourth choice defender but might be another clubs second choice they will walk. The only thing puzzling is the length of the contract.

You've obviously forgotten Paul Johnson.

No one remembers Doyle the Cream puff.Built like Arnie soft as pudding

Has had a chance to make a physial impact on the game twice in a row now, and both times early in the first quarter (vs Cloke and Vs whoever that bloke was on Saturday).

You hit a person running back with the flight hard, you make them hurt, do it early in the game and it sends an element of doubt through the opposition.

P!ssed off that no-one jumped in with Dawes at half time too. When one of your leaders is having "words", you just jump in and help, then ask questions in the room. He's not going to do it for no reason, so there's obviously something that they needed to stand up for.

He's soft an unaccountable. It's another inconsistency in Neelds strategy. Doesn't fit into "the hardest team to play against" model in my eyes.

Has had a chance to make a physial impact on the game twice in a row now, and both times early in the first quarter (vs Cloke and Vs whoever that bloke was on Saturday).

You hit a person running back with the flight hard, you make them hurt, do it early in the game and it sends an element of doubt through the opposition.

P!ssed off that no-one jumped in with Dawes at half time too. When one of your leaders is having "words", you just jump in and help, then ask questions in the room. He's not going to do it for no reason, so there's obviously something that they needed to stand up for.

Noticed that against Cloke. He was recruited as a big body. He should have put cloke out of commission then. It's those hard contests that lift teams. Look at Hodge against Carlton to see the impact some hard footy can have on your team mates.

Noticed that against Cloke. He was recruited as a big body. He should have put cloke out of commission then. It's those hard contests that lift teams. Look at Hodge against Carlton to see the impact some hard footy can have on your team mates.

Frustrating part is that he could've done it both times and not given away a free kick.

Actually, the MOST frustrating part is that I don't know of anyone on our list that would see it as an opportunity to make a statement.

Tapscott does it when he see the opportunity. But apart from That he's not offering much else.

Average of approximately 2 / week. Prob an underestimation. Had a good look at him close up yesterday and I am very unimpressed by his speed and more in particular his waist. The guy has put on at least 5kg of fat since arriving at the club. A disgrace only matched by everything else Neeld did. But 3 years you have got to be joking

I thought contracts were the list managers problem not the coaches

the big question is what sort of hamburger would convince him to be traded elsewhere and what hamburger would convince him to stay?

just remember he was recruited as a gravedigger only

Rumour has it his salary is low.

Pay him out and use the spot on another Clisby

Hopefully low doesn't just mean below average, in which case he's still probably on ~2-250K/year

Gysberts just turned 22 and is being developed (properly) on the wing like he should have been with MFC, Pedersen is 26, peak AFL age and has shown as much as he's going to show.

I'm staying on record as saying this will turn out to be a terrible trade.

Spot on - ridiculous decision by any reasonable assessment

sellar was so impressive in his first year neeldy thought lets get pedo and gillies to top up our spud supplies

sellar was so impressive in his first year neeldy thought lets get pedo and gillies to top up our spud supplies

288kg of mashed potato.

Yes a lot of spud!

To be fair on Gillies - even he expressed surprise that we were interested in him...

just watching the replay of Stkilda v Melbourne

Pedo is absolute shower rubbish

but id rather him than sellar and gillies

Cam has impressive attack on the footy, a keeper

Cam has a special ability for someone 193cm and 120kgs to avoid physical contact and constantly miss the oppositions body.

Had the chance to iron out Cloke a couple of weeks ago, and had the chance to get TDL on Saturday night.

Relative to body mass I'd say he's softer than Cale Morton.

Cam has impressive attack on the footy, a keeper