Changes v Suns

[leehow 285]

Last week we had Grimes go down early, and Trengove not play through the middle at all, yet in my opinion saw the best performance from our midfielders of the year. We ended up losing the clearances 38-36 i believe, against a quality midfield. Those two are obviously out, so i think Neeld is backing the boys that played in there last week to replicate that performance. While it may seem a strange decision to some here, I think it is the right one. We can upgrade Magner at any stage during Grimes' injury, so lets see how the boys go this week and assess from there, rather than just saying Neeld has no idea because you want him gone.

[Nasher 33,068]

I also wouldn't be surprised if Magner wasn't promoted purely because the coach doesn't think he'll add much to the side. I really struggle with the Magner love around here.

[Dwight Schrute 16,801]

He's trying to put utmost pressure on the rookies to lift themselves to a new level... if there is an expectation amongst the rookies, even a hint of comfort amongst any of them, then obviously this would push the keenest of them to lift above the group to try t [censored] the spot available.

If, Neeld wasn't wanting to elevate one of them for this particular game, that may suggest that Grimes going onto the LTI, means that next week, Neeld wants the rookies, to show their best games to earn a call up... to compete fiercly with one another.

there is Magner & Couch, both going well, & Clisby who looks like he may have something?

* this fits with Neelds uncompromising Values, of competitiveness.

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It's not a bad theory although don't casey have a bye this week?

[Lil_red_fire_engine 10,216]

Neeld said flat out they wouldnt be promoting a rookie this week in his press conference.

I hope its smoke and mirrors....

Sorry just saw that in the presser. Agree a ridiculous decision.

[P-man 13,220]

haha always something new from the land of the jellyfish, today's delusion is that Neeld fails to recognise the superstar that is James Magner

So, just to clarify, by your reckoning anyone who questions ANY decision by the current FD, or Neeld in particular, is deemed to be spineless. Even a decision which, on the face of it, requires a fair amount of explanation. No questions, just acceptance.

Give my regard to the Fuhrer next time you see him, C&B. Sieg heil and all that jazz.

[Dwight Schrute 16,801]

Just a brainstorm but may be worth playing Shannon Byrnes on the ball for alot of this match, not sure if he has the endurance needed but another bit of ex around the bounce couldn't hurt?

Thoughts?

[DemonWA 3,442]

I also wouldn't be surprised if Magner wasn't promoted purely because the coach doesn't think he'll add much to the side. I really struggle with the Magner love around here.

Magner is no world beater, but we have 2 midfield players out from the selected team last week. Both are not lightly framed guys. Looking at the list of players available, and assuming Neeld would want to replace these guys with 2 similar typres, who comes in? Kent & Rodan? Rodan & Taggart? Kent & Taggart? Surely Magner is next in line for strong midfield players?

Gold Coast is a team we could beat so i see no reason why he wouldnt want to pick the team most equipped to beat them on Sunday, not the team most likley to be our best 22 in 3 years time....

[dee-luded 2,958]

It's not a bad theory although don't casey have a bye this week?

Yep, I knew that... except my calender was out.. they would have to show something special on the track... & not in next weeks game, to be an in, for the Richmond game.

Your right.

so maybe BRFE is right, & Magner can be elevated tomorrow, or over the weekend?

Edited May 9, 2013 by dee-luded

[Curry & Beer 5,444]

So, just to clarify, by your reckoning anyone who questions ANY decision by the current FD, or Neeld in particular, is deemed to be spineless. Even a decision which, on the face of it, requires a fair amount of explanation. No questions, just acceptance.

Give my regard to the Fuhrer next time you see him, C&B. Sieg heil and all that jazz.

i just think it is very arrogant and ignorant for people the sit at their keyboards and slag off Neeld based on the selection table. There is a lot of information and a lot of factors that influence these decisions and we here are not privy to the majority of it. In this particular instance it is obvious that Magner is no star and therefore there are a number of good counter-arguments NOT to bring him in. I just wish more people would get behind the club instead of automatically getting in its face with every little things happens. Look at the captaincy thread for example.. a few days a go 'Neeld would never do this good idea' today its 'can't believe Neeld did this dumb idea', whatever happens he just gets cooked here unfairly. BTW I am not related to him :D

[Dwight Schrute 16,801]

Yep, I knew that... except my calender was out.. they would have to show something special on the track... & not in next weeks game, to be an in, for the Richmond game.

Your right.

so maybe BRFE is right, & Magner can be elevated tomorrow, or over the weekend?

Mate, i really hope he is! we're trying to build a culture where hard work brings you reward, he has been probably in the top 3 players at casey every week, he is a mid and he is exactly what we need to remain competitive while our captains and mitch are out,

it's baffling why they haven't elevated him at this point, unless they want to spring a surprise on someone.

[DemonWA 3,442]

obvious that Magner is no star and therefore there are a number of good counter-arguments NOT to bring him in.

All year we have watched our midfield struggle to get first hands on the ball and pondered what would we could do with a noted ball getter playing in the middle. Magner's name has been bandied around as one who would help us out if he was on the senior list. An opening comes up and we rebuff..... its strange.

[stuie 7,374]

Last week we had Grimes go down early, and Trengove not play through the middle at all, yet in my opinion saw the best performance from our midfielders of the year. We ended up losing the clearances 38-36 i believe, against a quality midfield. Those two are obviously out, so i think Neeld is backing the boys that played in there last week to replicate that performance. While it may seem a strange decision to some here, I think it is the right one. We can upgrade Magner at any stage during Grimes' injury, so lets see how the boys go this week and assess from there, rather than just saying Neeld has no idea because you want him gone.

We also lost by the disposal count by 110, and the game by 10 goals.

[Rod Grinter Riot Squad 5,636]

I know it's not going to happen as he has been good so far this year, but I would be dropping Terlich along with Nicho this week (sorry if this has been covered).

Last week, both of them pulled up short of marking contests, Terlich in the 3rd, not certain what quarter Nichos was, but both had the chance to cut of a ball from a carlscum lead and probably get a free as they would have been cannoned into from behind. They stopped and watched the contest.

These habits must be eradicated from the word go if we are ever to be the toughest team to play against.

[stuie 7,374]

I also wouldn't be surprised if Magner wasn't promoted purely because the coach doesn't think he'll add much to the side. I really struggle with the Magner love around here.

I don't think anyone is saying Magner is a superstar, but after losing two senior(ish) mids in Trengove and Grimes, and being regularly smashed in clearances and disposals, you'd think we'd consider bringing in a guy who is averaging 30 touches and 6 tackles in the VFL.

[leehow 285]

We also lost by the disposal count by 110, and the game by 10 goals.

I know you love your stats mate. Of that 110 extra disposals, how many of them do you think would have been sideways or backwards kicks because of our pressure? Obviously we need to get our hands on the ball more, and use it better when we get it, but that stat to me is meaningless in isolation.

[DemonWA 3,442]

I know it's not going to happen as he has been good so far this year, but I would be dropping Terlich along with Nicho this week (sorry if this has been covered).

Yep, you're right, that wont happen!

[Arrow 1,257]

I know it's not going to happen as he has been good so far this year, but I would be dropping Terlich along with Nicho this week (sorry if this has been covered).

Last week, both of them pulled up short of marking contests, Terlich in the 3rd, not certain what quarter Nichos was, but both had the chance to cut of a ball from a carlscum lead and probably get a free as they would have been cannoned into from behind. They stopped and watched the contest.

These habits must be eradicated from the word go if we are ever to be the toughest team to play against.

I remember Terlingua you're right that was a very bad one, pulled up and watched Waite mark.

[stuie 7,374]

I know you love your stats mate. Of that 110 extra disposals, how many of them do you think would have been sideways or backwards kicks because of our pressure? Obviously we need to get our hands on the ball more, and use it better when we get it, but that stat to me is meaningless in isolation.

I was merely responding to someone hanging their hats on the fact we were close in clearances.

They also had more contested possessions and more tackles.

[leehow 285]

I was merely responding to someone hanging their hats on the fact we were close in clearances.

They also had more contested possessions and more tackles.

I made the comment about clearances, because people were saying Neeld has no idea because he hasn't upgraded Magner. I understand that we are getting beaten in most/all areas of the game at the moment, but i feel that our mids were better last week than they had been all year, without Grimes or Trengove playing through there. Neeld is obviously showing faith in the players that played last week, and i feel that is the right decision. I know what Magner brings to the table, and we have the option of upgrading him at any stage during Grimes' injury. It just seems like some posters on here will criticise everything Neeld does without due thought as to why the decision is made.

[Grimseyisgod 378]

Stick Col Sylvia in the Centre.

My midfield would be.

Sylvia, Toump, Viney, Jones,Jones and maybe Dunny doing a defensive role

[stuie 7,374]

I made the comment about clearances, because people were saying Neeld has no idea because he hasn't upgraded Magner. I understand that we are getting beaten in most/all areas of the game at the moment, but i feel that our mids were better last week than they had been all year, without Grimes or Trengove playing through there. Neeld is obviously showing faith in the players that played last week, and i feel that is the right decision. I know what Magner brings to the table, and we have the option of upgrading him at any stage during Grimes' injury. It just seems like some posters on here will criticise everything Neeld does without due thought as to why the decision is made.

To me it's a strange decision. We're coming up against a very good albeit young midfield in a winnable game. Who comes in for Grimes and Trenners? Rodan? Given us nothing at AFL level. Fitzy? Not much help in the midfield. Toumpas? See Rodan. (I do think he'll be good eventually though). Blease? Still hasn't got AFL endurance.

This decision may cost him his job.

[P-man 13,220]

I don't question everything Neeld does and I have zero desire to see him fail like he currently is, because it hurts my club. But if a decision as baffling as this one isn't open to question or criticism, we may as well shut sites like this one down.

[Grimseyisgod 378]

well, Toump not in.

we bought in Sellar....

:'(

[Jaded No More 58,069]

haha always something new from the land of the jellyfish, today's delusion is that Neeld fails to recognise the superstar that is James Magner

Magner is no superstar, not even close, but FFS we need to give Jones and the others some physical protection.

Magner is good for some clearances and tackles and he's somebody you won't push out of your way.

He is a good ordinary player that NEELD BROUGHT ONTO THE LIST to protect our young bodies. With Grimes and Trenners out, that's even less experience and strength going into that centre bounce every week. What is the harm in playing Magner? Or more to the point, what is the reason for bringing him to the club if you won't play him when everyone else has fallen over and died?

Btw, you wanna tell me that friggin Rodan on one leg and half a knee is a better option than Magner?

Clearly Neeld is trying to justify that pick up.

Edited May 9, 2013 by Jaded

[DeeVoted 582]

Btw, you wanna tell me that friggin Rodan on one leg and half a knee is a better option than Magner?

Clearly Neeld is trying to justify that pick up.

Well.... there is no trickin' you.