My thoughts exactly and for those who have no knowledge of the court system, with the seriousness of this matter and the fall out at stake, the media and others can jump up and down all they like but knowing or assuming and being able to prove are two vastly different things.

Any AFL coach who thought an interview or coaches box was pressure, will have a serious wake up call being hammered on the stand by a QC in this matter. Mclean would be taken to the cleaners and his credibility as a witness would be shot to pieces

And what about CC in the box? Not the sharpest tool in the shed either. I think some people have their heads in the sand and will be in for a rude awakening - surely there will be sanctions. Hopefully they are limited to CC and DB. I also hope the AFL investigators are lining up interviews with the Blues coaching panel from 2007 just to be consistent in all this.

It is a grey area, but I would argue that not playing players is worse than playing them out of position. I'd prefer to have Pavlich in a back pocket than sitting in the stands, but that's just my simple view of things.

I agree - would have been much better to just leave players out and say we wanted to try some kids.

And what about CC in the box? Not the sharpest tool in the shed either. I think some people have their heads in the sand and will be in for a rude awakening - surely there will be sanctions. Hopefully they are limited to CC and DB. I also hope the AFL investigators are lining up interviews with the Blues coaching panel from 2007 just to be consistent in all this.

They can start with Riley who appeared to be an Honorary Employee of theirs when we played them in the Kruezer Cup.

Heard McLaughlan just before and he said they had already looked in to Carlton and there was no further action there despite Libbs coming out again today.

I can see them taking QB off us.

I cant

Took them ages to do that fixture.. they wont change it.

A lot of nervous neddies are jumping at a lot of shadows me thinks

They can start with Riley who appeared to be an Honorary Employee of theirs when we played them in the Kruezer Cup.

Heard McLaughlan just before and he said they had already looked in to Carlton and there was no further action there despite Libbs coming out again today.

Where is this reported?

http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/150573/default.aspx

Wow, change of heart from Gardner

As well as multiple testimonies, there is evidence in writing. Not sure if Wilson or Clothier have it though.

Thats great and do you not think there will be multiple testimonies from others saying it didn't occur. And I don't care about testimonies they are still open to cross examination in a court of law

Heard McLaughlan just before and he said they had already looked in to Carlton and there was no further action there despite Libbs coming out again today.

The AFL's ability to apply the blow-torch at their convenience is a very disturbing facet of the game's governance. They simply want the Carlton fiasco to go away - too big a kid in the play ground.

IMO they are corrupt to the highest degree.

Just read Bev O'Connor's article on Tanking. Now there is a piece the MFC can use...really well written Bev.

A true Demon.

Thats great and do you not think there will be multiple testimonies from others saying it didn't occur. And I don't care about testimonies they are still open to cross examination in a court of law

You'd have to be pretty brave to commit perjury at this point. How could you possibly have any faith in your co-conspirators now?

http://www.afl.com.a...73/default.aspx

Wow, change of heart from Gardner

...and he's right, the individuals should face the music in this case and not just scapegoats.

http://www.afl.com.a...73/default.aspx

Wow, change of heart from Gardner

No club penalties and widespread sackings and floggings of those involved in the vault? Where do I sign?

http://www.afl.com.a...73/default.aspx

Wow, change of heart from Gardner

just saw your post

ironic isnt it

can this thing get any weirder ?? lol

I don't understand your point.

The original poster was intimating that the AFL gave us pick 4 because we were crap and taking it off us would go against their judgment. It is not that way at all- pick 4 represents our after first round pick compo for Scully. The fact that it is pick 4 is a comment on how crap we were. It wasn't a handout.

I was the original poster. I said that the AFL gave us pick 4 because we are crap in 2012, so to take it off us for what we did in 2009 is discordant with the reason we have it in the first place. So you've agreed with what I've said. Thanks.

but then again...what have WE done , that anyone else hasnt , that makes US ONLY deserving of punishments ?

NOTHING !!!!!

You clearly have an agenda.

Anger & frustration more to the point. Agenda would only be an accurate assumption if that individual was somehow connected to the MFC, other than just as a member with a right to vote.

It is completely different to rest players as they are not "in any match". But when you turn up on the day - be it as coach, assistant coach or player then you are bound by the rule.

Also I think you will find the teams who rest players don't do it to lose, they still usually win because they do it against weaker sides.

Reading the whole rule carefully, I'd think any coach involved in selecting a deliberately weak team would fall foul of the rule. The match is wider than what happens on the playing day.

Otherwise it is easy to tank - just pick your worst and injured players and tell them to play to win.

edit: add last sentence

Edited October 31, 201212 yr by sue

Can this thing get any weirder ???

Gardner has never deserved the harsh treatment he gets on this forum. Like many people here, he cares deeply for the club and objects strongly to tanking.

It can't have been easy for him to have to watch his successors run the club into the ground.

Edited October 31, 201212 yr by Hazyshadeofgrinter

I was the original poster. I said that the AFL gave us pick 4 because we are crap in 2012, so to take it off us for what we did in 2009 is discordant with the reason we have it in the first place. So you've agreed with what I've said. Thanks.

I don't agree with what you said at all.

Pick 4 wasn't a handout for being crap, it was Scully compo. If we weren't crap it still would have been attatched to our first round pick.

It wasn't a handout, it was compensation. How is that not clear? Anyway it's a non issue.

Whoever organised this "vault" bulltish is going to find themselves our of a career. Good. Incompetance such as this should not go unpunished.

You'd have to be pretty brave to commit perjury at this point. How could you possibly have any faith in your co-conspirators now?

Perjury

A crime that occurs when an individual willfully makes a false statement during a judicial proceeding, after he or she has taken an oath to speak the truth.

Hang on, hang on. Lets not jump the gun here.

How do we know it was Moloney?? Other than some guy saying it was him.......

How do we know it wasn't Neeld.......Anyone?

I've very sceptical, considering since being moved on from Melbourne he has said nothing but good things about Melbourne and the people there. Face to face and via social media

http://www.afl.com.a...73/default.aspx

Wow, change of heart from Gardner

Now the truly interesting aspect of this... despite the article, its topic and focus etc ...is where it is located. Its on the AFL site. Compare this to the truck load of bile over at fairfax and the fiswrapping at the HUN.

Its a different take,,, different positioning. Interesting

Perjury

A crime that occurs when an individual willfully makes a false statement during a judicial proceeding, after he or she has taken an oath to speak the truth.

This is the post I was responding to:

Thats great and do you not think there will be multiple testimonies from others saying it didn't occur. And I don't care about testimonies they are still open to cross examination in a court of law

What is your point?

I don't care what heads roll as long as we aren't penalized with the loss of draft picks. I have a feeling the AFL are on the same page bezlebub; they recognize something has to be done about this and penalizing us as a club opens up too many ramifications. Punishing an individual or individuals satisfies their need for atonement without a long drawn out sordid affair.

Who is going to get the chop? Don't care.

Hang on, hang on. Lets not jump the gun here.

How do we know it was Moloney?? Other than some guy saying it was him.......

How do we know it wasn't Neeld.......Anyone?

I've very sceptical, considering since being moved on from Melbourne he has said nothing but good things about Melbourne and the people there. Face to face and via social media

enough for me