This was a disappointing year, with multiple injuries for Stef, and he struggled to make a mark as he has in recent times. Stef has the ability to be a very good player, but injuries didn't allow it this year. We anticipate that he will have a big pre-season to set himself for 2013. - Leigh Brown (forward line coach) melbournefc.com.au

Games MFC 2012 7 MFC Total 57 Goals MFC 2012 7 MFC Total 23

Games CSFC 2012 3 Goals CSFC 2012 7

Games CSFC DL 1 2012 Goals CSFC DL 2012 0

MFC 55 kicks 42 handballs 97 disposals 31 marks 13 tackles

Keith "Bluey" Truscott Memorial Trophy 62 votes

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All change, this train not taking passengers.

So far still a gunna

You'd think the changes to the ruck rules may be of great benefit to his game

Express to Brissy......

Am biased but would keep. Versatile. Also aware that he's about as popular on DL as a parking inspector and will probably not be with us come next Friday.

I really like Stef and see huge potential in him.

I will judge him by 2011 and forgive last year as they all ran around like headless chooks .

I think he offers a lot more than he's generally credited for here. He put himself through a massive pre season prior to 2011 and reaped the benefits. Never really got rolling in 2012. It appears from the outside that the FD consider Pedersen an upgrade so Stef is outta here. I think his best is yet to come. He should do well wherever he ends up

Keeper for mine.

Altho the story about Viney taking him on for being late to training when he was caretaker coach must mean there is something the FD don't like about him.

With new Rucking Laws Stef has now become a keeper. Ruck Duties have just become more athletic. The asset Martin has.

Still a trade option as no one can accurately predict where the new laws will impact.

And it still does address his shortcomings forward and back.

Still a trade option as no one can accurately predict where the new laws will impact.

And it still does address his shortcomings forward and back.

sure. But his trade value has gone up, so who do you go after?

Ruckmen will have to cover the ground quicker as the stoppages will be dealt with quicker by throwing the ball up.

His trade value will be dependent upon the interest of other Clubs. There is no certainty that Martin's price has gone up. We still dont have evidence that there is clear interest in him. Its all rumours at this stage and there is no evidence his trade value is "up"

If stoppages are noticeably more quicker (and that not certain at this stage) thry will be dealt with by other tall players like Dawes, LRT, Vickery, Clark, Hawkins up forward. Ruckman are there to win tap out and still to clear passage for smaller players at stoppages. I am not convinced Martin has those core skills nailed to overcome issues forward and back.

His trade value will be dependent upon the interest of other Clubs. There is no certainty that Martin's price has gone up. We still dont have evidence that there is clear interest in him. Its all rumours at this stage and there is no evidence his trade value is "up"

If stoppages are noticeably more quicker (and that not certain at this stage) thry will be dealt with by other tall players like Dawes, LRT, Vickery, Clark, Hawkins up forward. Ruckman are there to win tap out and still to clear passage for smaller players at stoppages. I am not convinced Martin has those core skills nailed to overcome issues forward and back.

Throwing the ball up will speed up the game...Less players will be at the contest. It is the reason they are doing it.

Potentially more time for commercial breaks i believe is part of the strategy sadly..

Ch 7 have got to pay the bills & the market is not what it was.

Throwing the ball up will speed up the game...Less players will be at the contest. It is the reason they are doing it.

Potentially more time for commercial breaks i believe is part of the strategy sadly..

Ch 7 have got to pay the bills & the market is not what it was.

The changes to the rules are hardly going to revolutionise the game to the extent that it suddenly makes one style of ruckman redundant and another supreme.

And there will hardly be any more commercial breaks if you speed up the game. In the past eight years the game has increased in speed dramatically and the scoring has not necessarily got any heavier. So there have not been more goals (= ad break) than before

So unless they introduce commercials during the play then it is unlikely to allow more commercials being shown than the multitude shown now.

It makes no sense.

The changes to the rules are hardly going to revolutionise the game to the extent that it suddenly makes one style of ruckman redundant and another supreme.

And there will hardly be any more commercial breaks if you speed up the game. In the past eight years the game has increased in speed dramatically and the scoring has not necessarily got any heavier. So there have not been more goals (= ad break) than before

So unless they introduce commercials during the play then it is unlikely to allow more commercials being shown than the multitude shown now.

It makes no sense.

I didn't say the changes would automatically add more scoring, but it is certainly what they are hoping will happen...and it is the lobster in the slowly heating saucepan....There is change but slow enough not to be noticed too much..

Ch 7 do want more ads...They need them.That is why they are also pushing hard for a night GF for 2013...

I didn't say the changes would automatically add more scoring, but it is certainly what they are hoping will happen...and it is the lobster in the slowly heating saucepan....There is change but slow enough not to be noticed too much..

Any actual proof? I think you are making it up again.

Ch 7 do want more ads...They need them.That is why they are also pushing hard for a night GF for 2013...

The channel 7 issue is irrelevant to this discussion.

Any actual proof? I think you are making it up again.

The channel 7 issue is irrelevant to this discussion.

No it's all relevant because the nature of the game is being changed to suit the broadcaster...

Throwing the ball up around the ground on DRY days will speed the game up...Ruckmen will have to be fitter & be that much closer to the ball at all times, because they will lose that 5-10 seconds of set up each time..

An athletic player like Martin would be at an advantage in this style of game, (yes he has to improve) but i think he has now become a keeper for the up coming preseason at least.

Jamar is not quick around the ground..He will not be a fan of KB's new rule at all.

Ever since the interchange Bench evolved from 19th & 20th men, and then to 4 on the bench the game has drastically changed.

Nobody stays in position anymore...I am not making anything up, just observing.

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No it's all relevant because the nature of the game is being changed to suit the broadcaster...

Now i know you are making it up.

Throwing the ball up around the ground on DRY days will speed the game up...Ruckmen will have to be fitter & be that much closer to the ball at all times, because they will lose that 5-10 seconds of set up each time..

An athletic player like Martin would be at an advantage in this style of game, (yes he has to improve) but i think he has now become a keeper for the up coming preseason at least.

Jamar is not quick around the ground..He will not be a fan of KB's new rule at all.

The condition of the ground is irrelevant. The time difference will be the time difference between the action of bouncing the ball into the air and throwing the ball in the air. Its no more than a second. Umpires will still have to set up to create space for themselves to exit the contest.

I think your fantasising the impact without realising that efforts to speed the game in some areas will be countered by the tactics of coaches to slow down in others. We are not talking a speed revolution in football here.

I think he offers a lot more than he's generally credited for here. He put himself through a massive pre season prior to 2011 and reaped the benefits. Never really got rolling in 2012. It appears from the outside that the FD consider Pedersen an upgrade so Stef is outta here. I think his best is yet to come. He should do well wherever he ends up

Agree. Not sure why we seem to be in such a hurry to offload. FWIW I think there's a huge upside to him, not sure the coaches agree.

Perderson on the other hand appears to have become a champion - amazing ..

Throwing the ball up will speed up the game...Less players will be at the contest. It is the reason they are doing it.

Potentially more time for commercial breaks i believe is part of the strategy sadly..

Ch 7 have got to pay the bills & the market is not what it was.

On the right track, but completely misunderstanding the motivation. It's the speed of the game that's important, not the ads. Same reason you can chuck it out of a pack now without being penalised.

The changes to the rules are hardly going to revolutionise the game to the extent that it suddenly makes one style of ruckman redundant and another supreme.

And there will hardly be any more commercial breaks if you speed up the game. In the past eight years the game has increased in speed dramatically and the scoring has not necessarily got any heavier. So there have not been more goals (= ad break) than before

So unless they introduce commercials during the play then it is unlikely to allow more commercials being shown than the multitude shown now.

It makes no sense.

I think you are wrong.

This will have similar impact to the centre circle rule, and look what that did to our last killer ruckman.

You'll see heaps more stoppages where the rucks arent really in position, and blokes like Howe and Sylvia going up.

On the right track, but completely misunderstanding the motivation. It's the speed of the game that's important, not the ads. Same reason you can chuck it out of a pack now without being penalised.

That i agree with. The issue at hand is maintaining the game as a interesting spectacle that will encourage footy fans to tune into FTA football and maintain ratings and therefore the value of AFL TV rights.

I think you are wrong.

This will have similar impact to the centre circle rule, and look what that did to our last killer ruckman.

You'll see heaps more stoppages where the rucks arent really in position, and blokes like Howe and Sylvia going up.

GIven what the centre bounce rule took out of the game, that is the extended run and jump at the bounced ball what is the killer app that is going to revolutionise the game. We are splitting hairs on time here.

There are already a number of stoppages where the ruckman dont make it. And if Sylvia and Howe are contesting the ruck then we will lose the ruck unless we are competing against Jetta and Harvey.

I think we need to see what we will happen before making rum predictions. I am not sure Martins trade value has increased at this point in time.