Vlastuin may still be available at 20 and Matt McDonough (strong small forward who kicked a few in the championships) though he could slide a bit. I think both of these would definitely add to our deficiencies.

Heard from a guy who is friends with this Vlastuin character, and Neeld interviewed him at the Combine, however he looked him in the eye and told him I don't want to play for Melbourne, something about the bad culture. Absolute rubbish for an 18 year old kid- I feel like gone are the days were its an honour to play in the league, 18 year old's lead by this Josh Caddy idiot think they pick and choose what happens.

I hope Viney splits that little **** in half.

Heard from a guy who is friends with this Vlastuin character, and Neeld interviewed him at the Combine, however he looked him in the eye and told him I don't want to play for Melbourne, something about the bad culture. Absolute rubbish for an 18 year old kid- I feel like gone are the days were its an honour to play in the league, 18 year old's lead by this Josh Caddy idiot think they pick and choose what happens.

I hope Viney splits that little **** in half.

Jeez that is really bad if true. I was always under the impression that Vlastuin was level headed and very professional so that is interesting.

It makes me angry that a kid can make a comment like that without knowing anything about the inner workings of the club. How about just being grateful for the opportunity that very few get and so many would kill for.

Neeld should draft this Vlastuin kid and make him pay for that comment on the training track.

I'm sure he ll come through after enough punishment.

To add to that, I have a feeling Kennedy will slip to late teens, maybe (hopefully) even our pick at 20.

Unfortunatly by the time St. Kilda and Port receive their free agent compensation (which I suspect will be mid 1st round picks) that our pick 20 will turn into pick 22 and can't see Kennedy slipping that low.

Laine Wilkins is my personal favourite for around there. Quick outside goal kicking midfielder who's a good mark. Another WA kid, so having 2 of them come over at the one time may help them settle. Or it could make no difference and I may be talking rubbish!

I really don't believe that an 18 year old potential draftee would be saying that.....I reckon it's complete rubbish.......My aunties best friend's house mate said Viney said the same thing......Come on keep it real......

Heard from a guy who is friends with this Vlastuin character, and Neeld interviewed him at the Combine, however he looked him in the eye and told him I don't want to play for Melbourne, something about the bad culture. Absolute rubbish for an 18 year old kid- I feel like gone are the days were its an honour to play in the league, 18 year old's lead by this Josh Caddy idiot think they pick and choose what happens.

I hope Viney splits that little **** in half.

And when we look at the interview with Dom Barry on DeeTV, that kid is over the moon at being on an AFL list. He looks like he has to hold himself back from punching the air and yelling 'yeehhhh!!!'. Now there is a kid who is working hard to be the best footballer he can.

Not sure I'd fully believe the Vlastuin story though. Surely this kid would know that if Neeld repeated that story to the AFL he'd be in trouble. Could be construed as draft tampering by some.

http://www.afl.com.a...69/default.aspx

states that his knee is good, and that troy's injuries were caused by collisions rather than weak joints

Yep, they're all risks in picking draft choices.

those who will or won't make it. and then add the possability of the injury issue.

For me a pass.

They're are plenty of talented kids around at this pick.

With talks stalled between gws and giles is there a chance we could trade martin/spencer (replacement ruck) + petterd (hard bodied fwd, perfect 3rd tall behind cameron and patton) + pick 20 for pick 13 back.

Mfc net loss to gws- pick 3 + martin/spencer + petterd

Mfc net gain from gws- hogan + barry

seems almost weighted in gws favour but the player we could get at 13 compared to 20 could be significant. also what would we really be giving up in terms of players? I can see all 3 struggle to get a game in years ahead as gawn/fitz take over the ruck and petterd cant get a game now and our forward line is a shambles so they would not be a huge loss. especially if we are able to then use picks 4 and 13 to draft ready to go types

Suprised no one here has mentioned Josh Simpson.

He seems to have really slipped under the rader on DL and it expected to go slightly prior to 20. That said he could also slip as if he went under the radar at DL perhaps his gone under the radar of recruiters

Josh Simpson (WA – Mid/Fwd)

Height: 183cm, Weight: 72kg, DOB: 09/02/1994

Recruited from: East Fremantle

Style: Daniel Wells

Player comparison:

Range: 15-50

Profile: Simpson has been one of the more interesting prospects over the past few years moving from WA to SA in 2011 to make the state squad then back to WA this season. Simpson has great acceleration and on a wing can do some damage. Gets through traffic easily. Generally good ball user by both hand and foot and by foot is duel sided. Still has a very lean build and I expect him to always be more of an outside player but I have been encouraged in the past with his attack on the ball and on the man despite his lean build. Has talent and while I think he will be rated very differently from club to club I expect a few clubs to be very keen to get someone with his talents on their list.

It's the lean build stuff that scares me off, re todays congested footy. If he was built like Peter Matera, with the aggression to match, as a kid,,, I'd certainly be listening, but as it is, not so much atmo.

I'm more hopeful of filling our needs of hardness mostly. Uncompromising types first, then flashy types as we can afford them.

With talks stalled between gws and giles is there a chance we could trade martin/spencer (replacement ruck) + petterd (hard bodied fwd, perfect 3rd tall behind cameron and patton) + pick 20 for pick 13 back.

Mfc net loss to gws- pick 3 + martin/spencer + petterd

Mfc net gain from gws- hogan + barry

seems almost weighted in gws favour but the player we could get at 13 compared to 20 could be significant. also what would we really be giving up in terms of players? I can see all 3 struggle to get a game in years ahead as gawn/fitz take over the ruck and petterd cant get a game now and our forward line is a shambles so they would not be a huge loss. especially if we are able to then use picks 4 and 13 to draft ready to go types

I don't think they'd take rubbish + rubbish + 20 for 13. I feel that GWS manage their list well and will realise that it is in better shape without Spencer and Petterd on it.

Don't mind the lateral thinking though, could work if we had something better to offer up.

Neeld should draft this Vlastuin kid and make him pay for that comment on the training track.

I'm sure he ll come through after enough punishment.

It never ceases to amaze me how quickly hearsay becomes fact on this forum... it seems like just yesterday that people were lambasting Dawes over his refusal to speak to the MFC.

Vlastuin may still be available at 20 and Matt McDonough (strong small forward who kicked a few in the championships) though he could slide a bit. I think both of these would definitely add to our deficiencies.

I can't see Vlastuin slipping outside top 10 let alone 20 but we can still hope. He is reminiscent of Toby Greene and Taylor Adams from last year, tough hard at it clearance players with clean disposal, these sorts are low risk you know he will make an impact and contribute form day dot just might not have the upside in terms of athleticism as the top 5.

I can't see Vlastuin slipping outside top 10 let alone 20 but we can still hope. He is reminiscent of Toby Greene and Taylor Adams from last year, tough hard at it clearance players with clean disposal, these sorts are low risk you know he will make an impact and contribute form day dot just might not have the upside in terms of athleticism as the top 5.

That is true. The way I see it is that there are a number of players (probably around 20) who are all rated top 10 or so by various experts and recruiting commentators. Hence there have to be at least a couple of players that are rated highly by some camps (hopefully the MFC) available at 20.

Heard from a guy who is friends with this Vlastuin character, and Neeld interviewed him at the Combine, however he looked him in the eye and told him I don't want to play for Melbourne, something about the bad culture. Absolute rubbish for an 18 year old kid- I feel like gone are the days were its an honour to play in the league, 18 year old's lead by this Josh Caddy idiot think they pick and choose what happens.

I hope Viney splits that little **** in half.

No disrespect to you DL7 but I find that ridiculous and I'm surprised you think it worthy of repeating here. It could well be the private thoughts of the bloke but I prefer to think someone has made it up. How do YOU reckon you'd go as an 18 YO standing up in front of a senior AFL coach and s room full of recruiters and fo all intents saying F*** Off!

Doesn't sound very plausible does it?

At the same time ppl on these boards will rightfully slag off a journo for repeating any "rumour" as if it is fact

No disrespect to you DL7 but I find that ridiculous and I'm surprised you think it worthy of repeating here. It could well be the private thoughts of the bloke but I prefer to think someone has made it up. How do YOU reckon you'd go as an 18 YO standing up in front of a senior AFL coach and s room full of recruiters and fo all intents saying F*** Off!

Doesn't sound very plausible does it?

At the same time ppl on these boards will rightfully slag off a journo for repeating any "rumour" as if it is fact

To be fair, he did say he 'heard it from a bloke...' so it's not like he's quoting it as fact. Although his comments afterwards indicate that he believes it to be true.

I agree though that it doesn't sound plausible.

Maybe Vlastuin was just trying to sound cool to his mates...and didn't say a thing?

Heard from a guy who is friends with this Vlastuin character, and Neeld interviewed him at the Combine, however he looked him in the eye and told him I don't want to play for Melbourne, something about the bad culture. Absolute rubbish for an 18 year old kid- I feel like gone are the days were its an honour to play in the league, 18 year old's lead by this Josh Caddy idiot think they pick and choose what happens.

I hope Viney splits that little **** in half.

An all too common reflection on society itself. these types of little $%^ts think the world owes them something and arent prepared to put in the hard yards for success. Demand for instant gratification. The type of kid Viney would not tolerate in the rooms id say

The type of kid Viney would not tolerate in the rooms id say

Or out on the footy field either. Vlastuin's time is coming, Viney will make sure of that!!!!

Heard from a guy who is friends with this Vlastuin character, and Neeld interviewed him at the Combine, however he looked him in the eye and told him I don't want to play for Melbourne, something about the bad culture. Absolute rubbish for an 18 year old kid- I feel like gone are the days were its an honour to play in the league, 18 year old's lead by this Josh Caddy idiot think they pick and choose what happens.

I hope Viney splits that little **** in half.

I doubt if this is true but let's say it is for a moment. Neeld would have torn shreds off this kid and told him to get stuffed. How a 18 year old outsider can not only comment on our culture but also say it to Mark Neeld's face is staggering.

Colcohoun?

Atkins would be good.

I'm starting to think we should go after some small, strong, running players, who can play defence or forward.

Go after a 'Gumbleton' now we have Hogan. a 3rd Rnd type tall forward, who'll crash & bash.

Totally agree.

No disrespect to you DL7 but I find that ridiculous and I'm surprised you think it worthy of repeating here. It could well be the private thoughts of the bloke but I prefer to think someone has made it up. How do YOU reckon you'd go as an 18 YO standing up in front of a senior AFL coach and s room full of recruiters and fo all intents saying F*** Off!

Doesn't sound very plausible does it?

At the same time ppl on these boards will rightfully slag off a journo for repeating any "rumour" as if it is fact

None taken. I find myself firmly intrenched with a group of friends who have been drafted or are about to be drafted and therefore it enables me to hear things like this. The exact person who told me this is actually Jack Viney's best friend and he said Jack who is friends with Nick was wooing him but for whatever reason decided he wasnt interested in playing at Melbourne.

My comment was as much about how the world has changed that enables kids to say that. You say I can't believe an 18 year old would do it, but Josh Caddy a 20 year old just DID.

We'll see, the same bloke told me he was ALL over Jackson Macrae, JV's friend from Carey, and make it very clear he'd love to select him. Not sure he'd take him over Wines at now pick 4 but interesting to see the type of player he likes.

I would trade it for Dawes but does anyone know the draft rules I think we have to use a minimum 3 picks in draft

No sweat. Even if we trade #20, we will use 4, 26 (Viney) and at least one 3rd rounder. Or instead of the third rounder, maybe something more tasty given to us for FA/RFA compensation.