Losing our best defender is just what we need to finish off the worst season of any AFL club in history.

And no,Chip the Spud isn't better than Riv,he's had one good season,as for Bartram,Joel Mac,Garland-give me a spell!!!

Our best defender... who spent half the year as a forward?

Chip the Spud. FFS. For every poster with the rose coloured glasses on, there's one with poo coloured glasses on that sees the worst in everything.

Our best defender... who spent half the year as a forward?

...........

And Dunn who has played mainly as a forward, spent half the year as a back, and looks to have cemented his spot in the side...see other topic on Dunn.

Interestingly,

Rivers 192cm, 92kg

Dunn 192cm, 95kg

(Scarlett 192cm, 94kg)

The rub on Rivers has been that when isolated 1 out (as targeted by the filth) on a tall forward, he has been found out. Not sure he has the 1 on 1 strength to be a Scarlett replacement. Then again, if he gets in the gym........but you wonder a bit why he hasn't beefed up a bit already.

The cats already have a sweeper type (Mackie 192cm, 87kg), so you wonder where their interest is.

Having said all that, I rate Rivers and am not keen to see him go.

Riv's been a great servant of the club. He had a moderately good year (5th in B&F in a 4 win season is hardly earth shattering).

I would be disappointed if he left, but hardly devastated. The compo pick in an excellent draft would mitigate my disappointment.

So - meh!

Riv's been a great servant of the club. He had a moderately good year (5th in B&F in a 4 win season is hardly earth shattering).

I would be disappointed if he left, but hardly devastated. The compo pick in an excellent draft would mitigate my disappointment.

So - meh!

In a season where he played half of it at the opposite end of the ground that he has for his whole career...

Losing our best defender is just what we need to finish off the worst season of any AFL club in history.

And no,Chip the Spud isn't better than Riv,he's had one good season,as for Bartram,Joel Mac,Garland-give me a spell!!!

You state he is our best defender yet he was our fourth choice key defender even before he moved forward? Bartram, Joel Mac and Garland play a completely different role. Watts played back and pre-injury had more intercepts of play than any player in the comp. If there is any sweeping role it will be played by Watts.

We were [censored] with him and we've got Frawley, McDonald, Garland, Watts, Dunn, and Davis to hold down third talls as we see fit.

Adelaide lost Bock and Phil Davis in successive years and with an ageing Ben Rutten some Adelaide supporters thought the sky was falling. But opportunities opened up and now Talia is a rising star. Look at Hawthorn. Today they've got Gibson, Schoenmakers and Stratton as their 3 tall backs. They could be 3 premiership key backs in a few hours, but I'd take Frawley, McDonald and Garland/Watts over that triumvirate.

Rivers leaving isn't preferable, but nor is it a major issue. And with a decent compensation pick we may come out ahead. I understand the logic that losing senior players isn't ideal, but we'll be losing a player in a part of the ground we can readily cover. I see 2012 as the end of a bleak era. Neeld and Co have had their year to assess the list and 2013 represents a new beginning. If Rivers goes, as well as Moloney - and a few others - it's probably the right time for it to happen.

Its time

We were [censored] with him and we've got Frawley, McDonald, Garland, Watts, Dunn, and Davis to hold down third talls as we see fit.

Did you see Davis' kicking in the VFL Grand Final? I know he has other qualities but he makes McDonald and Fitzpatrick look like they are at AFL standard.

Did you see Davis' kicking in the VFL Grand Final? I know he has other qualities but he makes McDonald and Fitzpatrick look like they are at AFL standard.

Yes, I did. He had a mare - especially with two kicks in 30 seconds. I don't judge a player on one game, but on what I see on a regular basis. When I look at what he can do, I don't concern myself by the odd skill error.

He has a lot of work to do, but I like his pace, his courage, he's aggressive with a bit of mongrel and I reckon he's got plenty of development in him. Those that cry over a couple of bad kicks would have already put a line through him.

I'm a bit confused here.

Who's Davis and what VFL Grand Final are we talking about?

We were [censored] with him and we've got Frawley, McDonald, Garland, Watts, Dunn, and Davis to hold down third talls as we see fit.

Adelaide lost Bock and Phil Davis in successive years and with an ageing Ben Rutten some Adelaide supporters thought the sky was falling. But opportunities opened up and now Talia is a rising star. Look at Hawthorn. Today they've got Gibson, Schoenmakers and Stratton as their 3 tall backs. They could be 3 premiership key backs in a few hours, but I'd take Frawley, McDonald and Garland/Watts over that triumvirate.

Rivers leaving isn't preferable, but nor is it a major issue. And with a decent compensation pick we may come out ahead. I understand the logic that losing senior players isn't ideal, but we'll be losing a player in a part of the ground we can readily cover. I see 2012 as the end of a bleak era. Neeld and Co have had their year to assess the list and 2013 represents a new beginning. If Rivers goes, as well as Moloney - and a few others - it's probably the right time for it to happen.

Correct. We all thought the world ended when T$ left and what happened. He is playing worse than an ordinary footballer and we have 2 good picks to find better players. How many now would be upset if we got say Hogan and MacRae, Kennedy or Stringer with those picks?

I'm a bit confused here.

Who's Davis and what VFL Grand Final are we talking about?

Apologies, got the Grand Final on my mind, thinking of the regular finals.

Thanks, so we are talking about Troy Davis who I do like as a potential tall defender but some have discounted because his disposal has been a bit "iffy" under pressure. I'd keep him for at least another year. He may still come to something.

We also have Jai Sheahan, a rookie, who I think has a tremendous future.

Thanks, so we are talking about Troy Davis who I do like as a potential tall defender but some have discounted because his disposal has been a bit "iffy" under pressure. I'd keep him for at least another year. He may still come to something.

We also have Jai Sheahan, a rookie, who I think has a tremendous future.

Agree Jack, re Davis. Too soon for a tough lad who kicked much better as I remember it last year. Looked distracted this year.

Jai Sheahan has a little bit to go IMO but I see him at this stage as a Rivers replacement 3rd Tall type flanker. May grow into a key posi', but I can't see it atmo.

Thanks, so we are talking about Troy Davis who I do like as a potential tall defender but some have discounted because his disposal has been a bit "iffy" under pressure. I'd keep him for at least another year. He may still come to something.

We also have Jai Sheahan, a rookie, who I think has a tremendous future.

I agree WJ I was wrapped when we picked up sheahan. He was touted as a top 30 pick in the ND by some experts yet didn't even get a look in till out 3rd?? Round pick in the rookie draft from what I have seen and read (pre draft) he has KP potential I'm excited by this kid.

Thanks, so we are talking about Troy Davis who I do like as a potential tall defender but some have discounted because his disposal has been a bit "iffy" under pressure. I'd keep him for at least another year. He may still come to something.

No problem with keeping him, just saying his disposal is extremely bad from what I have seen so far. Like I said, I'm sure he has other qualities but kicking is not one of them.

Agree Jack, re Davis. Too soon for a tough lad who kicked much better as I remember it last year. Looked distracted this year.

So you like Jack's post ?

I get ya.

If true I can't say I'm happy with us losing him, I'm not really upset with Riv himself, but what I really feel we'll be missing from him is the experience. Watts was good in defense in patches, but long term it's not where he belongs, so when he does move out who's going to take his spot? I really hope Neeld and Co will take a very aggressive trade and FA strategy.

Yes, I did. He had a mare - especially with two kicks in 30 seconds. I don't judge a player on one game, but on what I see on a regular basis. When I look at what he can do, I don't concern myself by the odd skill error.

He has a lot of work to do, but I like his pace, his courage, he's aggressive with a bit of mongrel and I reckon he's got plenty of development in him. Those that cry over a couple of bad kicks would have already put a line through him.

Agree.

Kinda like Schoenmakers, who the hawks have persevered with and I think will turn into a very dependable player.

Agree.

Kinda like Schoenmakers, who the hawks have persevered with and I think will turn into a very dependable player.

I have hope that Davis can turn out a Grundy type backman for us and Viney a bigger version of Kieran Jack.

Is there any actual rivers fa info in this thread?

Seems like alot of discussion about different players attributes.

Is there any actual rivers fa info in this thread?

Seems like alot of discussion about different players attributes.

Ok, I expect him to nominate Cats in next few days.

Ok, I expect him to nominate Cats in next few days.

After yesterday, I reckon the Hawks may have a think about him.

After yesterday, I reckon the Hawks may have a think about him.

Honestly i think The MFC among pretty much every other club will be having a look at Rivers if they are smart Deeluded. has alot to offer especially the top sides

Honestly i think The MFC among pretty much every other club will be having a look at Rivers if they are smart Deeluded. has alot to offer especially the top sides

Yep, including the Swans, Saints, Freo, & all teams who play zone type defence.