Straight trade - Jurrah for Jacobs

[beelzebub 22,528]

There are some seriously benign threads on this forum from time to time

This is one

[felixdacat 459]

I am confused also as Port can just pick him up next year anyway and we have no leverage to force them to do anything. If we wanted Jacobs we would have to trade or do a deal. Jurrah does not come into it at all.

[Guest Rassilon]

Leverage is a double edged sword. Who has a top 20 pick on there list, out of contract that wants to play back in Victoria? If we offer him a 3/4 year deal on "reasonable money".

Who has no leverage?

However, we do the right thing. We offer up a trade - Why - I will let you work that one out.

[old55 21,770]

I'm not convinced GWS & GC would get involved in the Pre-season because of list reduction placed on both clubs. Plus Im not sure even if they did - they would want to pay "reasonable" dollars for a kid that would obviously want to play in Victoria. If we had a "deal" in place say 3/4 years and an acceptable amount to Jacobs - I reckon he would be ours.

They could just say we'll draft Jurrah and you can draft Jacobs - if we had a particularly good relationship with them then this trade might happen. But Jacobs would have to want to come only to us - unlikely, other Victorian teams could be in the frame - Geelong, Essendon, North etc., then ort may actually be able to get real trade value.

[Guest Rassilon]

They could just say we'll draft Jurrah and you can draft Jacobs - if we had a particularly good relationship with them then this trade might happen. But Jacobs would have to want to come only to us - unlikely, other Victorian teams could be in the frame - Geelong, Essendon, North etc., then ort may actually be able to get real trade value.

The key is to secure Jacobs with a fair deal 3-4 reasonable dollars. Wonder what Jarrah would be on? 300-400K. Why not offer Jacobs what Jurrah was on - no net gain no net loss for us. Houli-Dooley we would have a chance.

[beelzebub 22,528]

A little too simple for some obviously.

You cant trade what you dont have. thats it...over and out

[ox_5 163]

A little too simple for some obviously.

You cant trade what you dont have. thats it...over and out

BB he is actually still contracted at trade period. He is still a Melbourne listed player. I dont think it will happen, but it can happen.

[felixdacat 459]

Leverage is a double edged sword. Who has a top 20 pick on there list, out of contract that wants to play back in Victoria? If we offer him a 3/4 year deal on "reasonable money".

Who has no leverage?

However, we do the right thing. We offer up a trade - Why - I will let you work that one out.

No Leverage means we have no leverage, MFC have not renewed his contract or discussed renewal until after March 2013. We can not offer something we do not have. To renew his contract we need his agreement and he has stated he can not commit until after March 2013. After the court case then we can deal but before that we can not offer his services so we have nothing nadda, zilch, zero.

Port would have to agree to give up their player Jacobs now for the possibility that if everything comes out okay in court and if Jurrah wants to continue to play AFL that they can have him sometime in March - April 2013. An offer that I am sure they would jump at, they would be mad to not do it.

Yes we can put an offer to Jacobs and Port but we can not use Jurrah as leverage or bait. I don't understand how I (and numerous others) can make it any clearer for you.

[beelzebub 22,528]

BB he is actually still contracted at trade period. He is still a Melbourne listed player. I dont think it will happen, but it can happen.

am fully aware he is technically stil on our list. I even mentioned this on several other threads. But as he can step aside and walk into the draft of his own accord we have no real call on him.

There is also the situation whereby had he signed a new contract he would be untradable unless he was to agree to it. Why would you sign with club A only to go to B when you could do what you like ( or need ). Mind you he could have donne that had it been his want to provide compensation to a club that had provided much for him.

He didn't , hasnt , wont ...take your pick. Matters not for what is...IS.

Much of what many suggest here is purely fantasy based upon their "wished for" , or "what might be" with no real recognition of what IS.

There is no trading Liam for theres no certainty he will go anywhere next year. Hes getting off the train.

[felixdacat 459]

There is no trading Liam for theres no certainty he will go anywhere next year. Hes getting off the train.

Dont you mean Bus as in Reality Bus..

[rpfc 27,657]

He can go straight into the draft.

And that is if he even wants to play AFL next season.

He may be happy to just play SANFL.

Only 1 club would take him in the draft and that means we have as much leverage as a plastic fork trying to lift Fat Phil - NONE.

[Guest Rassilon]

No Leverage means we have no leverage, MFC have not renewed his contract or discussed renewal until after March 2013. We can not offer something we do not have. To renew his contract we need his agreement and he has stated he can not commit until after March 2013. After the court case then we can deal but before that we can not offer his services so we have nothing nadda, zilch, zero.

Port would have to agree to give up their player Jacobs now for the possibility that if everything comes out okay in court and if Jurrah wants to continue to play AFL that they can have him sometime in March - April 2013. An offer that I am sure they would jump at, they would be mad to not do it.

Yes we can put an offer to Jacobs and Port but we can not use Jurrah as leverage or bait. I don't understand how I (and numerous others) can make it any clearer for you.

First we put the offer to Jacobs. (full-stop) If he agrees to come back to Victoria for 3-4 years on reasonable dollars say $300-400K - we have a deal.

Then we put the offer to Port - if Port dont accept it thats their problem not ours. We take Jacobs in the pre-season - no big deal to us. We have our man.

[rpfc 27,657]

First we put the offer to Jacobs. (full-stop) If he agrees to come back to Victoria for 3-4 years on reasonable dollars say $300-400K - we have a deal.

Then we put the offer to Port - if Port dont accept it thats their problem not ours. We take Jacobs in the pre-season - no big deal to us. We have our man.

Or GWS or GC have our man...

[Guest Rassilon]

Or GWS or GC have our man...

GWS or GC have to both reduce their list - I suspect this year neither will want to enter the pre-season draft. Plus - They are having enough problems keeping the Victorian kids they already have. Why create more problems for yourself. (Hi Josh, Hi Jonathon) Why would they want another on their books? Especially one that we would already have a deal with and we would request to be put on our permission to train list.

Edited September 10, 2012 by Rassilon

[Axis of Bob 10,431]

I think Richmond is the biggest threat.

[rpfc 27,657]

GWS or GC have to both reduce their list - I suspect this year neither will want to enter the pre-season draft. Plus - They are having enough problems keeping the Victorian kids they already have. Why create more problems for yourself. (Hi Josh, Hi Jonathon) Why would they want another on their books? Especially one that we would already have a deal with and we would request to be put on our permission to train list.

Jacobs can go into the ND too. And GC or GWS could keep room for a pick in the PSD - I would if I were their list manager.

And 'deals' and 'permission to train' lists mean something to drafts?

What I find odd is that - to you - it is as easy for us to get Jacobs as PA to get Jurrah.

It is much more difficult for us to get Jacobs than for PA to get Jurrah.

[Guest Rassilon]

Jacobs can go into the ND too.

Yip but why would he - no certainty. We would have a deal in place 3-4 years @ 300-400 K.

And GC or GWS could keep room for a pick in the PSD - I would if I were their list manager.

What like they did last year? GWS passed on all selections GC took a Tassie kid. Plus you would have to pass on a very early pick. Dont forget both must reduce their list.

And 'deals' and 'permission to train' lists mean something to drafts?

Are you sure about that? Club dont like grabbing players for long-term deals if they have already committed elsewhere

What I find odd is that - to you - it is as easy for us to get Jacobs as PA to get Jurrah.

It is much more difficult for us to get Jacobs than for PA to get Jurrah.

Depends where Port want to put Jurrah on their list. Primary or Rookie? B)

[Guest Rassilon]

I think Richmond is the biggest threat.

Im 99% sure they have secured Chaplin & Knights, and they are talking to one of our boys (who shall remain nameless at this point) Think they have their hands full at present.

[beelzebub 22,528]

you might have to think about it......but Im sure most will get it !!!

[rpfc 27,657]

There is only one poster I know that writes "yip" as "yep" (or anything really) and that is hangon007/Dr Who...

And of course, it is draft and trade season...

Let the nonsense begin!

[beelzebub 22,528]

There is only one poster I know that writes "yip" as "yep" (or anything really) and that is hangon007/Dr Who...

And of course, it is draft and trade season...

Let the nonsense begin!

it began some whiles ago

[Guest Rassilon]

There is only one poster I know that writes "yip" as "yep" (or anything really) and that is hangon007/Dr Who...

And of course, it is draft and trade season...

Let the nonsense begin!

Lets see. Many deals get talked about not all come to fruition. Where there is a will there is a way.

[Rhino Richards 1,467]

Lets see. Many deals get talked about not all come to fruition. Where there is a will there is a way.

And an idiot on the other end of the negotiating table.

My question would be "why was jurrah not recontracted mid-year"

Even out of form he was less of a list clogger than most

You have to be kidding given the situation Jurrah has been in.

He hasnt been out of form because he has hardly played this year. Not to mention struggling with the pre season training.

[binman 39,194]

Early contender for this weeks silliest thread.

[rpfc 27,657]

Lets see. Many deals get talked about not all come to fruition. Where there is a will there is a way.

That saying doesn't apply.

When in Rome...