On the Couch - Brock talks about 'tanking'

[rjay 25,362]

Flack for what? Getting us two compo picks for Scully and bringing in a hardarse coach? They deserve pats on the back and a pay rise.

Unfortuntely if mud is going to be thrown it's going to splat all over the wonderful legacy of a universally loved, Melbourne champion who succumbed valiantly to cancer.

So Deano Bailey ... over to you mate.

Not entirely true RR, we can thank GWS for paying overs which in the AFL rules put Scully in the elite category with Ablett. A joke I know but that is what the compo was based on.

[Sir Why You Little 37,342]

Flack for what? Getting us two compo picks for Scully and bringing in a hardarse coach? They deserve pats on the back and a pay rise.

Unfortuntely if mud is going to be thrown it's going to splat all over the wonderful legacy of a universally loved, Melbourne champion who succumbed valiantly to cancer.

So Deano Bailey ... over to you mate.

Don't bring Jimmy into this RR...those left behind will take the flack, and it is only a few, not all.

[Range Rover 1,935]

Not entirely true RR, we can thank GWS for paying overs which in the AFL rules put Scully in the elite category with Ablett. A joke I know but that is what the compo was based on.

Make no mistake, Schwab's willingness to 'play the AFL's game' throughout 2011 and not kick up a fuss was skilfully handled and helped net us the two picks.

[Range Rover 1,935]

Don't bring Jimmy into this RR...those left behind will take the flack, and it is only a few, not all.

I'm just postulating what might happen if Dean Bailey chooses to bring Jimmy into it, WYL. That's all.

It would be a shocking allegation for Dean to make without proof and without the man even being here to defend himself.

Horrendous really. No?

[Sir Why You Little 37,342]

Are you serious?

You are happy that the AFL are investigating OUR CLUB so it may uncover what you believe is incompetence at the highest level in the Administration?

Do you really understand what the ramifications of this will be, if they find a top official has instructed the coach to tank?

Good luck finding a new team to support.

If a top official at the MFC has instructed the coach to tank, we deserve whatever we get as a club and that official should be taken to court.

We can't run & hide. The world knows what 2008-09 were about.

[Range Rover 1,935]

If a top official at the MFC has instructed the coach to tank, we deserve whatever we get as a club and that official should be taken to court.

We can't run & hide. The world knows what 2008-09 were about.

The burden of proof is on the accuser.

[Sir Why You Little 37,342]

The burden of proof is on the accuser.

No arguement there. But it is well known what we did. It is now time for those responsible to fess up so the club can move forward...

[Dee Fan 3,247]

The burden of proof is on the accuser.

I can see now why he gets caned on here; you're wasting your time.

My apologies to RR (the other one) I can see why you do what you do now.

[Dee Fan 3,247]

No arguement there. But it is well known what we did. It is now time for those responsible to fess up so the club can move forward...

There probably won't be a club but you don't seem to have the (insert whatever) to understand that.

[Range Rover 1,935]

I can see now why he gets caned on here; you're wasting your time.

My apologies to RR (the other one) I can see why you do what you do now.

Yes I suddenly have a new-found empathy for the other RR after this exchange.

[rjay 25,362]

Make no mistake, Schwab's willingness to 'play the AFL's game' throughout 2011 and not kick up a fuss was skilfully handled and helped net us the two picks.

No, I've said before that I think you are right with this, it certainly didn't hurt us. But...I think the negatives far outweigh the positives where he is concerned.

...and before you raise the money issue I think it was Jimmy who was the catalyst for erasing the debt at the club, without him it would not have happened, the CEO rode on his coat tails. There are many unhappy contributors with the way the club have treated them since the debt demolition and again it will come back and bite us. The arrogance of this administration does not sit well with many people.

[Range Rover 1,935]

No, I've said before that I think you are right with this, it certainly didn't hurt us. But...I think the negatives far outweigh the positives where he is concerned.

...and before you raise the money issue I think it was Jimmy who was the catalyst for erasing the debt at the club, without him it would not have happened, the CEO rode on his coat tails. There are many unhappy contributors with the way the club have treated them since the debt demolition and again it will come back and bite us. The arrogance of this administration does not sit well with many people.

What are your grievances? Tried to ask AmericadeCali this question but he baulked at it.

So what's the beef?

[Johnny Karate 559]

If a top official at the MFC has instructed the coach to tank, we deserve whatever we get as a club and that official should be taken to court.

Amazing. You believe (somewhat reasonably) that the club has a soft, mediocre culture. Yet want us to be punished if an official instructed the coach to tank? What difference does it make if the plan was from top brass, Dean Bailey or the cleaning lady? It was clear that bizarre moves were being made against Richmond & it was clear that we were tanking. It was a hard nosed approach aimed at giving the club the best draft position & shot at future success possible. Something that several other clubs have done successfully.

If you punish the club, you punish the supporters like you & I who have sat through this garbage over the past 6 years, 30 wins from 127 effing matches! All I'm clinging to is hope, hope that we can rise from this. If we were to admit systematically tanking the sanctions would be catastrophic & remove all hope, something we the supporters don't deserve.

If we were to admit tanking the only thing we would get that we would deserve is raucous laughter coming from Carlton, Collingwood, Hawthorn etc because we were such a rabble that we dropped ourselves in the [censored] and they got away with it Scott free.

[Range Rover 1,935]

If you punish the club, you punish the supporters like you & I who have sat through this garbage over the past 6 years, 30 wins from 127 effing matches! All I'm clinging to is hope, hope that we can rise from this. If we were to admit systematically tanking the sanctions would be catastrophic & remove all hope, something we the supporters don't deserve.

Correct. Whoever is pushing this agenda has absolutely no regard for the Melbourne Football Club, its history and its loyal suffering supporters.

These faceless cowards are willing to send the club to the wall owing to their own selfish, no doubt money-driven motives.

Rats in the ranks indeed.

[Sir Why You Little 37,342]

Amazing. You believe (somewhat reasonably) that the club has a soft, mediocre culture. Yet want us to be punished if an official instructed the coach to tank? What difference does it make if the plan was from top brass, Dean Bailey or the cleaning lady? It was clear that bizarre moves were being made against Richmond & it was clear that we were tanking. It was a hard nosed approach aimed at giving the club the best draft position & shot at future success possible. Something that several other clubs have done successfully.

If you punish the club, you punish the supporters like you & I who have sat through this garbage over the past 6 years, 30 wins from 127 effing matches! All I'm clinging to is hope, hope that we can rise from this. If we were to admit systematically tanking the sanctions would be catastrophic & remove all hope, something we the supporters don't deserve.

If we were to admit tanking the only thing we would get that we would deserve is raucous laughter coming from Carlton, Collingwood, Hawthorn etc because we were such a rabble that we dropped ourselves in the [censored] and they got away with it Scott free.

The only way this club will rise is through hard nosed work. Not through manipulating draft picks.

Back in 2008 i knew what they were doing, so did we all. I had a lot of trouble agreeing with it. For it to be successful the picks had to be 100% right. They were far from that so we are now in a perilous position.

Can we agree on that?

[Sir Why You Little 37,342]

Correct. Whoever is pushing this agenda has absolutely no regard for the Melbourne Football Club, its history and its loyal suffering supporters.

These faceless cowards are willing to send the club to the wall owing to their own selfish, no doubt money-driven motives.

Rats in the ranks indeed.

Yes. And they must be flushed out. Soon.

[Range Rover 1,935]

The only way this club will rise is through hard nosed work. Not through manipulating draft picks.

Back in 2008 i knew what they were doing, so did we all. I had a lot of trouble agreeing with it. For it to be successful the picks had to be 100% right. They were far from that so we are now in a perilous position.

Can we agree on that?

How can you say this? We haven't used the Scully compo picks yet.

[Range Rover 1,935]

Yes. And they must be flushed out. Soon.

Oh, they will be. Don't worry about that.

[rjay 25,362]

What are your grievances? Tried to ask AmericadeCali this question but he baulked at it.

So what's the beef?

I've posted them on other threads but as a quick overview I think he is a devisive figure with players, supporters and the media. I don't think he should have been re appointed after the trouble he caused the club in the late 90's both financially and through loss of draft picks. I don't think he has handled key sponsorship issues well both the getting of those sponsors and retaining them. I think energy watch was a debacle which could have been avoided, I have my own theory on this but I can't substantiate it so the mods would not like me to add it here. He has overseen a failed rebuild and as CEO must take responsibility.

I think it is time for a change and now is the time to do it, we are getting kicked around so lets get on the front foot like we did with the football department make some changes that need to be made and give Neeld support to re build the club on field.

I hope that spells out what my thoughts are.

[Johnny Karate 559]

The only way this club will rise is through hard nosed work. Not through manipulating draft picks.

Back in 2008 i knew what they were doing, so did we all. I had a lot of trouble agreeing with it. For it to be successful the picks had to be 100% right. They were far from that so we are now in a perilous position.

Can we agree on that?

I can agree on that.

However, I can't agree that by admitting to tanking & facing massive sanctions ergo making the workload required that much bloody harder for ourselves from what youve labelled a "perilous position" that we've much of a future.

[H_T 3,049]

When did Melbourne tank in 2008 ? WYL ?

"So did we all"

??

[Sir Why You Little 37,342]

How can you say this? We haven't used the Scully compo picks yet.

Our number one draft pick should be playing a 3rd season by now. $cully was a major fail. You of all people know that RR

[Sir Why You Little 37,342]

When did Melbourne tank in 2008 ? WYL ?

Ask Dean Bailey. I am sure he will have specific dates...

[Sir Why You Little 37,342]

I can agree on that.

However, I can't agree that by admitting to tanking & facing massive sanctions ergo making the workload required that much bloody harder for ourselves from what youve labelled a "perilous position" that we've much of a future.

But there is nothing to admit. The club did it. We all know that.

Personally i would like to read the Red & Blueprint. Edition one.

[H_T 3,049]

Ask Dean Bailey. I am sure he will have specific dates...

BS. Revisionism. Just another case of WYL going off half-cocked on these boards.