Liam Jurrah - committal hearing in Alice Springs

[Tatu 416]

Does anyone know exactly what a nulla nulla is?

A nulla nulla is a traditional fighting stick, or a hunters kill stick Edited July 24, 2012 by tatu

[RalphiusMaximus 6,024]

A nulla nulla is a traditional fighting stick, or a hunters kill stick

A club.

[Tatu 416]

A club.

A stick

[7-UP 107]

Its unbelievable with all the evidence we are hearing in the court so far, when the incident happened first thing hun did was judging Jurrah as a criminal and ran a story about Basil's story in the newspaper next day

[leehow 303]

Its unbelievable with all the evidence we are hearing in the court so far, when the incident happened first thing hun did was judging Jurrah as a criminal and ran a story about Basil's story in the newspaper next day

would you expect anything different from the herald sun??

[Guest José Mourinho]

A stick

Well I have a nulla nulla at home, and it looks and feels a lot more like a small club to me than a stick.

[dee-luded 2,959]

For interest sake....

The British and American system have verdicts of Guilty or Not Guilty (acquittal)

In Scotland they have two versions of acquittal - Not Guilty and Not Proven

And to top it off the Italians (who else) have five different flavours of acquittal (yes 5)

Come see come sa, as one hand washes the other.

[dee-luded 2,959]

Can they wait until his footy career is finished?

He can also be hit in the same manner as he is alleged to have, maybe hit? with a stick.

[dee-luded 2,959]

Well I have a nulla nulla at home, and it looks and feels a lot more like a small club to me than a stick.

My ex girlfriend had one of those things in her bedroom cupboard. Kept threatening to hit me with it. She called it her rhythm stick.

[Wadda We Sing 10,685]

Nulla Nulla....

Edited July 24, 2012 by Wadda We Sing

[Guest bluey]

No winners here, the loser selling the grog should be on trial.

Seems poor old Basil gives it a nudge.

Once the court packs up nothing will be resolved.

[Range Rover 1,935]

No winners here, the loser selling the grog should be on trial.

Seems poor old Basil gives it a nudge.

Once the court packs up nothing will be resolved.

I agree the real story is the booze.

But at what point do the people and the community involved admit there's a problem, take responsibility and change?

[jnrmac 20,055]

Not sure how someone is 'repeatedly hit in the head with an axe' and barely has a scar on his head??

[Good Times Grimes 2,396]

Not sure how someone is 'repeatedly hit in the head with an axe' and barely has a scar on his head??

They breed them tough up in the NT

[beelzebub 23,313]

I agree the real story is the booze.

But at what point do the people and the community involved admit there's a problem, take responsibility and change?

havent you heard its always someone elses fault.

Spent a couple of years living at 'the gutta' and that was one hell of an eye opener for a city boy but it hasnt ever changed my view that everyone is repsonsible for themselves.

[Range Rover 1,935]

havent you heard its always someone elses fault.

Spent a couple of years living at 'the gutta' and that was one hell of an eye opener for a city boy but it hasnt ever changed my view that everyone is repsonsible for themselves.

The only thing that will change it is leadership from within their community.

Closing a bottle shop won't change a thing.

[beelzebub 23,313]

The only thing that will change it is leadership from within their community.

Closing a bottle shop won't change a thing.

Nup....as strangely another will open. Change, definitley has tocome from within. And like all problems the ones with it need to take ownership of it, then help can actually make a difference.

What we're seeing before us, including this Jurrah incident, is BLAME.. Noone wants tomove on...its all about blame and retribution....round and round and round they go.

[Dee Fan 3,247]

No winners here, the loser selling the grog should be on trial.

Seems poor old Basil gives it a nudge.

Once the court packs up nothing will be resolved.

Why's that Blue?

It used to be illegal to sell grog to the indigenous population, I'm sure you're old enough to remember that, then I think it was Gough who decided that if it was good enough for the rest of the population to destroy their lives with alcohol then it was good enough for the indigenous as well.

That's when the problems started but if it's legal and if that's what the indigenous people want, then why blame the grog sellers?

It's always easier if you can hang the blame on someone else and let those that are creating the problem off the hook.

[Undeeterred 3,123]

Ummmm legally you're either guilty or innocent. Innocent until proven guilty, he was proven not guilty, hence innocent.

I understand what you're getting at, but it's a harmful path to go down.

Ummm that is absolutely factually incorrect. Guilty means that a jury has decided it is satisfied that the evidence proves beyond a reasonable doubt that the accused committed the crime.

Not guilty means they aren't. That doesn't mean the jury doesn't think the person did it.

Simple as that.

[hardtack 10,514]

Why's that Blue?

It used to be illegal to sell grog to the indigenous population, I'm sure you're old enough to remember that, then I think it was Gough who decided that if it was good enough for the rest of the population to destroy their lives with alcohol then it was good enough for the indigenous as well.

That's when the problems started but if it's legal and if that's what the indigenous people want, then why blame the grog sellers?

It's always easier if you can hang the blame on someone else and let those that are creating the problem off the hook.

Don't know which govt allowed the sale of alchohol to aboriginals (doesn't really matter), but that was really probably just a formality, as they were getting access to it anyway. There is a pretty good introduction to alchohol and its affect on indigenous communities here at the Creative Spirits website... http://www.creativespirits.info/aboriginalculture/health/aboriginal-alcohol-consumption.html

[Undeeterred 3,123]

NB. This prosecutor Steve Robson must really be some special kind of plank to go ahead with such a flimsy case, with unreliable witnesses.

Looks like the stereotypical prosecutor desperate to make a name for themselves & getting the sniff of a big name in a case with a large media focus, ignored better judgment and pushed ahead with charges.

Only to embarrass himself and others.

Although, for any self-respecting QC, discrediting the witness statements of an angry mob who were mainly blind drunk, should be like fishing with grenades.

Sure Jose. Imagine he dropped it pre-committal. How do you think that would go down?

Damned if they do, damned if they don't.

Edited July 24, 2012 by Undeeterred

[GawnWithTheWind 604]

So are we expected to know TODAY?

Or does the judge/s go into deliberation for a few days?

[Dee Fan 3,247]

Don't know which govt allowed the sale of alchohol to aboriginals (doesn't really matter), but that was really probably just a formality, as they were getting access to it anyway. There is a pretty good introduction to alchohol and its affect on indigenous communities here at the Creative Spirits website... http://www.creatives...onsumption.html

I don't think any of us has to read a website to learn about the effects of alcohol on the indigenous population, it's been pretty well documented.

[hardtack 10,514]

I don't think any of us has to read a website to learn about the effects of alcohol on the indigenous population, it's been pretty well documented.

Speak for yourself RF... I found it quite informative and I'm sure others might as well.

[Ouch! 2,258]

Not sure how someone is 'repeatedly hit in the head with an axe' and barely has a scar on his head??

This is speculation (on my part here) but if one of the witnesses claimed that Basil was 'full drunk' and the one holding the machete, and he basically fell over at one point. I reckon if that was me, .... there would be a pretty good chance I'd accidentally cause myself an injury.

Heck.... holding one and not being drunk, and I'd probably still do something stupid. (I sliced through a tendon in my thumb trying to open a bottle of beer with a knife cos I couldn't find a bottle opener at Easter this year )