I love Toumpas signing for an extra year. As supporters, we can't know what's going on behind the scenes at a club, but when a guy heralded as one of the best young players of his draft has seen three months of operations and is willing to commit himself, I'd say that's an excellent sign that the culture which saw Tom Scully getting out as fast as he could has been pretty severely curtailed by our new coaching and management team.

I'm a happy camper.

Don't think you can draw too much from it either way. Just remember, sure Scully ran away as fast as he could, whilst at the exact same time, Trengove signed a 3-year deal (straight away).

Don't think you can draw too much from it either way. Just remember, sure Scully ran away as fast as he could, whilst at the exact same time, Trengove signed a 3-year deal (straight away).

Spot on

Spot on

Some say perhaps even faster and earlier and even assited, but who cares, he's gone and its been done to death. Seems the truth and integrity was the biggest loser with this whole episode. Sound familiar? Take Toumpas anytime and I haven't even seen him play.

It's revisionist crap to say Scully left because of the culture.

It was always about the money.

Fitzpatrick is an abysmal footballer and I cannot see Neeld giving him another contract unless he has an amazing season. Sylvia may well leave this year and I am not convinced that we cannot replace him reasonably easily in the free agency period (get the feeling he wants the easy option like Rivers in order to gain a premiership). Troy Davis needs to play in order to avoid getting the chop and he must make an effort to force his way into the best 22. Joel MacDonald will leave at the end of the year and I am pretty sure that Tom Gillies will be more a serviceable player than him. Aaron Davey really needs a good season or he will retire but I think that he will continue to work at the club in an off field role. There may be a couple of other departures. For me, Tynan must play soon or he is in danger of not having his contract renewed. Michael Evans must get game time this year as he looks to be an excellent kick inside 50 and he breaks lines, although he may not receive a contract renewal if Neeld doesn't rate him (such are the quirks of Football). Max Gawn could also be at risk of being delisted if he does not get over all of these injuries. He is a good player but you cannot afford to be injured all the time in the modern game.

Edited February 22, 201312 yr by Thehardtackler

Dawes 4 years

McKenzie 3 years

Jamar 3 years

Byrnes 2 years

Dunn 2 years

Tapscott 2 years

Bail 2 years

Dear oh dear

Dawes 4 years

McKenzie 3 years

Jamar 3 years

Byrnes 2 years

Dunn 2 years

Tapscott 2 years

Bail 2 years

Dear oh dear

That is hardly a debilitating contract situation.

That is hardly a debilitating contract situation.

In your opinion.

Add Pederson 2 years

That is hardly a debilitating contract situation.

I agree. I'd be happy to see most of them go.

By the looks of it we will be replacing them with yet ANOTHER group of high draft picks due to ladder situation and general insipidness.

Rebuild 3.0? 4.5? 5.0? I don't even effing know anymore.

Counting and remembering our rebuilds/mini rebuilds is like trying to remember all of the digits to pie.

Rebuild no. 3.141593654...

Edited April 2, 201312 yr by The Song Formerly Known As

In your opinion.

Add Pederson 2 years

I can name about 8 players to get rid of that are OOC at the end of the year.

You want to get rid of an extra 4 or 5?

I can name about 8 players to get rid of that are OOC at the end of the year.

You want to get rid of an extra 4 or 5?

We just signed or re-signed most of that list. It speaks to the competency of those in charge.

Or the alternative options available to them...

We would have been better off drafting kids than going for mature age journeymen to try and save a failed coach.

I don't think you properly understand the purpose for which those mature players were brought to the club, nor the impact the youth strategy has had on the club in the recent past.

Btw, did you see how Matt Jones went yesterday..?

I bet we loose Frawley at years end . . . Guarantee it

I don't think you properly understand the purpose for which those mature players were brought to the club, nor the impact the youth strategy has had on the club in the recent past.

Btw, did you see how Matt Jones went yesterday..?

We have recruited very poorly. That is the reason Bailey failed. Where would we be if our recruits were replaced with Nic Nat, Dangerfield, Shuey, Fyfe, Reid and Jetta?

Jones looks a likely type, but striving to finish 12^th with a team of mature players with limited time in the game is not the best strategy for us in the age of free agency IMO.

We have recruited very poorly. That is the reason Bailey failed. Where would we be if our recruits were replaced with Nic Nat, Dangerfield, Shuey, Fyfe, Reid and Jetta?

Jones looks a likely type, but striving to finish 12^th with a team of mature players with limited time in the game is not the best strategy for us in the age of free agency IMO.

That's not what you said. You said:

We would have been better off drafting kids than going for mature age journeymen to try and save a failed coach.

So which is it?

Failed coach & should have gone with youth, but didn't in trying to save a failed coach?

Or list was already crap because of poor recruiting (in which case, how could the coach have succeeded?)?

Heavily revisionist about Bailey, too.

Edited April 2, 201312 yr by Jens Lehmann

That's not what you said. You said:

So which is it?

Failed coach & should have gone with youth, but didn't in trying to save a failed coach?

Or list was already crap because of poor recruiting (in which case, how could the coach have succeeded?)?

Heavily revisionist about Bailey, too.

There is no inconsistency.

Our list is poor but we should have continued with a youth strategy.

Mature agers will only ever get us to mediocrity at best.

Depends on what you're trying to achieve, I guess.

There is no inconsistency.

Our list is poor but we should have continued with a youth strategy.

Mature agers will only ever get us to mediocrity at best.

After the last six years and sunday I will take a little of that

THE CONTRACTS THREAD

2016

Dawes, Grimes

2015

Clark, Trengove, Jamar (UFA), Garland (RFA), McKenzie, Howe, Jones (RFA), Hogan, Viney, Toumpas

2014

Frawley (RFA), Tapscott, McDonald, Blease, Strauss, Spencer, Bail, Dunn, Byrnes, Barry, Pedersen, Jones, Kent, Terlich

2013

Watts, Sylvia (UFA), Davey (RFA), Taggert, Gawn, Tynan, Fitzpatrick, Nicholson, Evans, MacDonald, Sellar, Jetta, Davis, Couch ®, Magner ®, Rodan, Gillies, Clisby ®, Stark ®

FA Eligibilty (8+ years from being drafted/recruited)

2013

Sylvia UFA Davey RFA

2014

Frawley RFA

2015

Jamar UFA Garland UFA* Jones RFA Spencer UFA*

2016

Grimes RFA Watts RFA/UFA* Blease RFA/UFA* Strauss UFA* Jetta UFA* Bail UFA* McKenzie UFA*

2017

Trengove RFA Tapscott RFA/UFA* Gawn UFA* Fitzpatrick UFA* MacDonald UFA*

2018

Howe RFA McDonald RFA Nicholson UFA* Evans UFA*

2019

Clark RFA Taggert UFA* Tynan UFA* Magner UFA* Couch UFA* Sellar UFA*

2020

Toumpas RFA Viney RFA Kent RFA M.Jones UFA* Terlich UFA* Stark UFA* Clisby UFA* Dawes RFA

* Likely outside of top 10 of earners at club.

I have added Grimes to 2016 and also put a timeline in on Free Agency because people see it as many saw the Mayan Calendar. And just like the Mayan's prediction - it's a bit of a fizzer...

The only players eligible for FA in the next three years are: Sylvia, Davey (both this year), Frawley (next year), Jamar, Garland, Jones and Spencer (end of 2015).

Would only take Watts and Gawn as the key re-signings out of that list. Will wait and see on the Frawley situation, no use worrying about it right now, not that it'll stop a lot of you guys.

Wont Jones be an unrestricted free agent at the end of 2015 as that will be his 10th season.

He played in our last finals win in 2006. One of the few remaining.

Tynan and Taggert better pull their thumbs outa their asses to get another contract

Tynan and Taggert better pull their thumbs outa their asses to get another contract

Any chance we could give them a game first?

Any chance we could give them a game first?

Any chance they could earn it first?