When Melbourne played Carlton in the infamous 'Kreuzer Cup' game of 2007, the No. 1 draft pick of 2005, Marc Murphy, was in the Carlton team that lost to Melbourne by 31 points. He was at the end of his second season, had played his 31st game and he averaged 17.9 possessions for the season. Murphy has now played 121 games and averages nearly 30 possessions a game. He killed us last week (along with Lord Voldemort).

When you say that you haven't seen much to 'get gooey over' with Scully, we need to look at him in the time frame we might retrospectively apply to Murphy. Scully has played 27 games after two seasons and averages 22 possessions in the games he's played, a better record than Murphy so far.

If we could project forward to when he's played over100 games, based on what Murphy has developed into, any suggestion Scully is not worth keeping is very dangerous.

Good post. Many are very impatient with young talent these days.

Mil extra.

But much of that is to spend on the 10 extra kids they have on their list.

And before you say 'pfft' - those kids will be on around $70k and so that is $700k...

think there is also some living cost payments not counted under salary cap

may be some other excluded payments too

When Melbourne played Carlton in the infamous 'Kreuzer Cup' game of 2007, the No. 1 draft pick of 2005, Marc Murphy, was in the Carlton team that lost to Melbourne by 31 points. He was at the end of his second season, had played his 31st game and he averaged 17.9 possessions for the season. Murphy has now played 121 games and averages nearly 30 possessions a game. He killed us last week (along with Lord Voldemort).

When you say that you haven't seen much to 'get gooey over' with Scully, we need to look at him in the time frame we might retrospectively apply to Murphy. Scully has played 27 games after two seasons and averages 22 possessions in the games he's played, a better record than Murphy so far.

If we could project forward to when he's played over100 games, based on what Murphy has developed into, any suggestion Scully is not worth keeping is very dangerous.

Should we retain him...I hope youre right. . Murphys achievements certainly shade Toms to date..Albeit Murphy achieved a lot quickly.

I hope Scully's knees result in as litel impairment as did Murphy's shoulder, but am more worried about them than I would a shoulder.

Be handy wouldnt you agree if Scully could at least kick like Murphy ?

Got to take Tommy on face value.. Us as supporters should be behind him until we know what his plans are.. Also scully is in his 2nd year.. Once his body has a few years in the gym and gets stronger he will be a gun!!

Should we retain him...I hope youre right. . Murphys achievements certainly shade Toms to date..Albeit Murphy achieved a lot quickly.

I hope Scully's knees result in as litel impairment as did Murphy's shoulder, but am more worried about them than I would a shoulder.

Be handy wouldnt you agree if Scully could at least kick like Murphy ?

or maybe we could hope that Tom is a pea heart like Murphy was in his first two seasons.

I stress WAS - his last two seasons have seen him eradicate the unjustified soft tag that he carried. I say unjustified to the extent that he wasnt hard at the contest in any way shape or form but was a young kid built like a twig. Five seasons of football and look what he is now.

or maybe we could hope that Tom is a pea heart like Murphy was in his first two seasons.

I stress WAS - his last two seasons have seen him eradicate the unjustified soft tag that he carried. I say unjustified to the extent that he wasnt hard at the contest in any way shape or form but was a young kid built like a twig. Five seasons of football and look what he is now.

I don't necessarily agree Murphy was a pea heart ever

I certainly recall his debut against us at Etihad, he got put on his backside by Melbourne players left right and centre yet got up every time aand finished BOG (if not close to)

Murphys achievements certainly shade Toms to date..Albeit Murphy achieved a lot quickly.

This is completely at odds with the post you quoted.

This is completely at odds with the post you quoted.

how so

Interesting.

Sandilands could be the club mascot himself !

Hahahaha. Gold!

Thanks for the laugh.

Marc Murphy season averages

2006: 13 Games, 11.4 kicks, 6.6 handballs, 18.0 possessions, 2.1 tackles

2007: 22 Games, 12.0 kicks, 5.9 handballs, 17.9 possessions, 2.9 tackles

2008: 22 Games, 15.2 kicks, 9.4 handballs, 24.6 possessions, 2.6 tackles

2009: 23 Games, 12.4 kicks, 13.1 handballs, 25.6 possessions, 3.9 tackles

2010: 22 Games, 12.6 kicks, 12.8 handballs, 25.4 possessions, 4.6 tackles

2011: 19 Games, 16.4 kicks, 12.5 handballs, 28.9 possessions, 4.3 tackles

You can see the natural progression as he gets older and more experienced.

Tom Scully season averages

2010: 21 Games, 9.4 kicks, 12.1 handballs, 21.5 possessions, 3.9 tackles

2011: 7 Games, 8.0 kicks, 14.1 handballs, 22.1 possessions, 5.9 tackles

how so

Because Murphy did little more than Scully in his first two years.

The post you replied to agreed with this sentiment.

You replied by mentioning how much Murphy had done in his first two years.

Didn't follow.

Reverse the roles. Look at this from a GWS perspective. If they have initially offered TS 5 million over 5 years they must be surely rethinking that initial offer. If it's true that TS was made an offer in late 2010 his subsequent form and of course injuries would severely down grade the offer. It is after all just an offer and is not contractually binding. If i were a GWS supporter, ( do they actually exist?) iI would be furious on the team wasting 5 million on an injured 20 year old with 30 games of experience. Which ever way you look at it doesn't make any sense.

Because Murphy did little more than Scully in his first two years.

The post you replied to agreed with this sentiment.

You replied by mentioning how much Murphy had done in his first two years.

Didn't follow.

I dunno.. he picked up the AFLPA first year award.. that would eclipse Scully to date. He certainly damaged the scoreboard more in those earlier years as comparison.

It was suggested Murphy got even better...which he has.

Was put maybe Scully will imporve.. to which I thought..hope he does.

Marc Murphy season averages

2006: 13 Games, 11.4 kicks, 6.6 handballs, 18.0 possessions, 2.1 tackles

2007: 22 Games, 12.0 kicks, 5.9 handballs, 17.9 possessions, 2.9 tackles

2008: 22 Games, 15.2 kicks, 9.4 handballs, 24.6 possessions, 2.6 tackles

2009: 23 Games, 12.4 kicks, 13.1 handballs, 25.6 possessions, 3.9 tackles

2010: 22 Games, 12.6 kicks, 12.8 handballs, 25.4 possessions, 4.6 tackles

2011: 19 Games, 16.4 kicks, 12.5 handballs, 28.9 possessions, 4.3 tackles

You can see the natural progression as he gets older and more experienced.

Tom Scully season averages

2010: 21 Games, 9.4 kicks, 12.1 handballs, 21.5 possessions, 3.9 tackles

2011: 7 Games, 8.0 kicks, 14.1 handballs, 22.1 possessions, 5.9 tackles

It would be interesting to see Murphy's disposal efficiency over the first two years compared to Scullys.

I don't necessarily agree Murphy was a pea heart ever

I certainly recall his debut against us at Etihad, he got put on his backside by Melbourne players left right and centre yet got up every time aand finished BOG (if not close to)

I am not criticizing him at all ( as I explained in the post) but he certainly gathered a reputation of shirking a few and not going in where angels fear to tread in his very early days. He was very slight and very new. Look at him now.

I guess the take home message is - look what two or three preseasons and 50 plus games can do to the body and mind. Would call him anything but soft now.

Daisy Thomas was also a show pony fringe dweller in his first couple of season and is now kamikaze ridiculous at the ball.

It was suggested Murphy got even better...which he has.

Was put maybe Scully will imporve.. to which I thought..hope he does.

Did the sun come up this morning - yes it did

Will the sun come up tomorrow - I hope it will

Did the sun come up this morning - yes it did

Will the sun come up tomorrow - I hope it will

good for you

good for you

Just thought you argument was reality vs crystal balling - who would know ?

P.S. We could have had Darling

I dunno.. he picked up the AFLPA first year award.. that would eclipse Scully to date. He certainly damaged the scoreboard more in those earlier years as comparison.

It was suggested Murphy got even better...which he has.

Was put maybe Scully will imporve.. to which I thought..hope he does.

Yes he kicked 12 goals more than Tom.

And yes, he won the AFLPA first year player award.

I don't really see that as definitive.

Tom tackles more than Murphy did, his courage is faultless, his hardness unquestionable.

Tom Scully will be a very good footy player.

Just thought you argument was reality vs crystal balling - who would know ?

P.S. We could have had Darling

don't do that!

Compo idea: tank 2012, get pick 1, use compo for pick 2 and end of first-round pick, use the third pick on JV and the first two on players

Compo idea: tank 2012, get pick 1, use compo for pick 2 and end of first-round pick, use the third pick on JV and the first two on players

These types of statements were funny the first time tanking was used in a humorous way, now it really isnt, and we should do our best to get the worst picks possible, ie finishing high up the ladder

don't do that!

The Scully saga is over for me fellers, I know I cant prove anything on this forum, But like most of you, I went through the going balistic stage, then have been hoping that he might stay stage, but I've had it put to me recently by someone who would know that not only is tom going, he's long, long gone. Now it seems so obvious why he has never shown one bit of emotion whilst singing the club song, even after the few good wins we've had this year. At the time I didn't think the cats got enough for Ablett, and unfortunately we probably won't get enough for Tom. You can shout me down about not naming names ect ect, but I'm just giving you the heads up because I read the forum nearly everyday, and I know how dedicated most of you blokes are. Remember, leaks are human nature, apparently those in the know think it's common knowlegde anyway!

Compo idea: tank 2012, get pick 1, use compo for pick 2 and end of first-round pick, use the third pick on JV and the first two on players

In fact, if we finish last and pick before all the other teams, we would be able to use a 2nd round pick on Jack Viney to boot.

Just saying...

don't do that!

Sorry - forgot to follow up with the "tongue in cheek" emoticon