Inquiry into injuries

[Striker475 696]

I think Bail's occurred in the North match (debacle) landed heavily on his knee and his knee sorted dug into the turf, thereby giving it a bit of a wrench.

Admittedly I was at work so I didn't see it.

[Guest 36DD]

I seem to recall making a thread exactly like this a couple of weeks ago. I was shouted down by some know-alls and the thread was locked by a moderator.

'Just luck' they said, yeah two-thirds of your side on the pine, sure it is

so you're an injury list sceptic then???

reckon we've just been unlucky, i for one cant spot any trends.

[Choko 493]

so you're an injury list sceptic then???

reckon we've just been unlucky, i for one cant spot any trends.

I'm not saying all the injuries are one way or the other, but I have heard rumours about the Scully injury, certainly the Tapscott injury may be related to our management, and without doubt some of last year's injuries were.

[Born to Run 204]

We are just going for more draft picks........

[Curry & Beer 5,444]

I'm not saying all the injuries are one way or the other, but I have heard rumours about the Scully injury, certainly the Tapscott injury may be related to our management, and without doubt some of last year's injuries were.

it's not just the fact that THIS season has been somewhat record-breaking in terms of injury, but the 3 or 4 before that sucked too. How anyone can ignore this and put it down to bad luck is beyond me

[Guest Artie Bucco]

I seem to recall during preseason many players not training at odd intervals, and it causing panic amongst some of the supporters.

This was a result of the fitness staff managing the loads of players, to prevent injuries as a result of high training loads.

I honestly think a lot of our injuries are the results of collisions, or are immeasurable, such as Grimes navicular stress fracture or hot spot or whatever it is.

It is simply wrong to try to blame these on the club, as they cannot be foreseen or prevented.

[Guest Artie Bucco]

& as an aside, my girlfriend is actually interviewing someone from the AFL tomorrow on a topic which loosely relates to this one.

I've given her a handful of questions to ask purely for my indulgence, in regards to injuries and the impact of the substitute.

If anything semi-interesting comes out of it, I'll post it here in this thread.

Being the AFL, chances are it will be played with a straight bat and of no interest.

[Guest 36DD]

I'm not saying all the injuries are one way or the other, but I have heard rumours about the Scully injury, certainly the Tapscott injury may be related to our management, and without doubt some of last year's injuries were.

well what are the rumours about scullys knee??? That he had the injury prior to drafting, got thru his first year, 2nd pre season it flared up given his manic training, rested scully, brought him back for trial match, flared again, conservative approach 10 to 12 weeks later he is back playing, typical bone stress injury...lets hear the rumours. Tapscott's injury maybe related to our management, he did his hammy trying to kick 60m. How many hammy's has tapscott done whilst at Melbourne??? Zero.

Without doubt some of last year's injuries were. Care to be specific??? Do you actually read your posts prior to posting. Look if there is a problem with our management of injuries then please provide specific examples and reasons why you have reached your conclusion. Dont post baseless wide ranging crap.

[Guest 36DD]

it's not just the fact that THIS season has been somewhat record-breaking in terms of injury, but the 3 or 4 before that sucked too. How anyone can ignore this and put it down to bad luck is beyond me

Who, what, where and when???

Specifics would be handy just so we could actually determine if there is a trend or not. furthermore, I am hoping you have a sports science, medical background and access to players preparations, training loads etc so you will be able to determine whether the fitness/medical staff have contributed to the high number of injuries. Prior to the Adelaide match we had the shortest injury list in the AFL, where was your post then???

[John Crow Batty 8,258]

Could it be a co-incidence that all these injuries have happened after the Adeliade game? For a long time it appears we have been in cruise control with low intensity performances. Only from the Adelaide game on we actually tried playing as we should. Our preseason and early games have not been to AFL intensity as required. Same as for most of last year and the previous couple of years. For too long we've been mollycoddled with this "Development" phase. Looks like we've been playing in the VFL seconds rather than in an elite comp. And now we are falling over like nine pins.

[Rhino Richards 1,467]

I am surprised no one has blamed the Bohdan B for all this. He normally cops a serve from suspicious posters.

Could it be a co-incidence that all these injuries have happened after the Adeliade game? For a long time it appears we have been in cruise control with low intensity performances. Only from the Adelaide game on we actually tried playing as we should. Our preseason and early games have not been to AFL intensity as required. Same as for most of last year and the previous couple of years. For too long we've been mollycoddled with this "Development" phase. Looks like we've been playing in the VFL seconds rather than in an elite comp. And now we are falling over like nine pins.

No. Because we also had a raft of injuries during the pre season.

We have also had a terrible run of injuries over the past 3 seasons while we have been in your "development" phase.

But as always never let the facts get in the way ADC.

[John Crow Batty 8,258]

I am surprised no one has blamed the Bohdan B for all this. He normally cops a serve from suspicious posters.

No. Because we also had a raft of injuries during the pre season.

We have also had a terrible run of injuries over the past 3 seasons while we have been in your "development" phase.

But as always never let the facts get in the way ADC.

The only fact that I'm concerned about is our crappiness. We've been and still are crap and inept and none of your excuses and dyke finger plugging changes this fact.

[Roost It 1,434]

I seem to recall making a thread exactly like this a couple of weeks ago. I was shouted down by some know-alls and the thread was locked by a moderator.

'Just luck' they said, yeah two-thirds of your side on the pine, sure it is

Explain to us how you train to stop contact injuries. Tapscott is the only player on our list with a soft tissue injury. I'd say the medical staff are doing very well.

[Choko 493]

Explain to us how you train to stop contact injuries. Tapscott is the only player on our list with a soft tissue injury. I'd say the medical staff are doing very well.

I'm sorry, but they are not all contact injuries. They may be impact injuries, but they are not contact.

We are all theorising, and my point is that we should have it reviewed.

[Curry & Beer 5,444]

Who, what, where and when???

Specifics would be handy just so we could actually determine if there is a trend or not. furthermore, I am hoping you have a sports science, medical background and access to players preparations, training loads etc so you will be able to determine whether the fitness/medical staff have contributed to the high number of injuries. Prior to the Adelaide match we had the shortest injury list in the AFL, where was your post then???

So basically you are disputing that we have had a bad run with injury? You are going to sit there and debate me on that? You KNOW that we have, that is what this thread is about – seriously what is wrong with some people on here?

I have no more informed background than you but I look at the facts and say it can’t possibly be bad luck only because to believe that would be imbecilic, simple as that

When you also factor in the concept that our footy department expenditure is half some other clubs then maybe you can see the forest for the trees

[Curry & Beer 5,444]

Explain to us how you train to stop contact injuries. Tapscott is the only player on our list with a soft tissue injury. I'd say the medical staff are doing very well.

there is a thing called recovery, too

[Choko 493]

well what are the rumours about scullys knee??? That he had the injury prior to drafting, got thru his first year, 2nd pre season it flared up given his manic training, rested scully, brought him back for trial match, flared again, conservative approach 10 to 12 weeks later he is back playing, typical bone stress injury...lets hear the rumours. Tapscott's injury maybe related to our management, he did his hammy trying to kick 60m. How many hammy's has tapscott done whilst at Melbourne??? Zero.

Without doubt some of last year's injuries were. Care to be specific??? Do you actually read your posts prior to posting. Look if there is a problem with our management of injuries then please provide specific examples and reasons why you have reached your conclusion. Dont post baseless wide ranging crap.

Who's an angry little man?!

I know about last year's because I have spoken to a number of people at the club who admit it. There were some problems last year with trainign surfaces, the recovery time lost in transit between Casey and our other facilities prolonged injuries, and a number of other things.

The rumour about Scully, which I absolutely do not know to be fact, which is why I called it a rumour, is that he believes (on his own med advice) that we didn't appropriately manage his pre-existing injury.

Again, that's why I think an external review would be very useful.

[iv'a worn smith 1,979]

If our inordinate injury list is simply down to bad luck, then we have to be one of the most unluckiest organisations going around at the minute. There may be one remedy............ to coin a cliche; the harder you work, the luckier you get. Again, it may be simply coincidence, but have you ever noticed how teams whose form quickly diminishes, a subsequent raft of injuries ensues?

The club has already flagged a mid-season review of all sections of the club. Whether coincidence or not, injury and player welfare management will almost certainly be a part of that review and so it should be.

[Guest Gotzy15]

A few years ago one of the clubs, perhaps someone else remembers which one, held an independent inquiry into their injuries to see whether and where there might be things they could do better.

With our injuries over the past few years, especially this year, I really think the club owes it to itself and the members to have an expert examine and provide a report to the club on the injuries we have sustained. I would suggest they should be looking at the cause of each of the injuries, and whether they were avoidable.

It seems to me from speaking to some people in the know that a large number of our injuries may be related to load/yield management, and therefore potentially there are factors that are avoidable that are contributing to some injuries. I don't believe in coincidences, and really, there have been too many stress and hamstring type injuries.

I would also like to know whether the drive to and from Casey, surface at our training venues or any other controllable factors may be contributing.

Just my 2c.

Take your 2 cents back..... ridiculous post.

[Nasher 33,068]

Take your 2 cents back..... ridiculous post.

Why?

[iv'a worn smith 1,979]

Take your 2 cents back..... ridiculous post.

While perhaps it could have been worded better, it is not a "ridiculous" post.

[Guest Gotzy15]

Well if you have a look at the types of injuries we have they have mostly been caused by collisions. They are not soft tissue injuries which can be caused by overuse and training loads, recovery times etc etc. It is clearly just sheer bad luck.Up until the Adelaide game we had practically no injuries. We need to focus on our game plan, structures, training and how hard we work on the field rather than this. Once again we are doing what is so typical of this club - looking for excuses.

[iv'a worn smith 1,979]

Well if you have a look at the types of injuries we have they have mostly been caused by collisions. They are not soft tissue injuries which can be caused by overuse and training loads, recovery times etc etc. It is clearly just sheer bad luck.Up until the Adelaide game we had practically no injuries. We need to focus on our game plan, structures, training and how hard we work on the field rather than this. Once again we are doing what is so typical of this club - looking for excuses.

As I said, the club will have its mid-season review and injury/player welfare management will be part of that review. What is ridiculous about that?

[Curry & Beer 5,444]

Well if you have a look at the types of injuries we have they have mostly been caused by collisions. They are not soft tissue injuries which can be caused by overuse and training loads, recovery times etc etc. It is clearly just sheer bad luck.Up until the Adelaide game we had practically no injuries. We need to focus on our game plan, structures, training and how hard we work on the field rather than this. Once again we are doing what is so typical of this club - looking for excuses.

IT IS AN EXCUSE!

FCS what qualifies as an excuse if having more than half your side out doesn't? We have key players picked out all over the ground and blokes that clearly should not be out there, obviously we are not functioning as we should, any side in the comp would be the same

The question this thread poses is whether there is a tangible reason this keeps happening to us

[Roost It 1,434]

I'm sorry, but they are not all contact injuries. They may be impact injuries, but they are not contact.

We are all theorising, and my point is that we should have it reviewed.

correct. the word I was after was impact rather than contact.