THE TOM SCULLY TO GWS THREAD

[dee-luded 2,958]

Maybe there's a rich benefactor out there who could offer Miranda Kerr an ambassadorship for world modelling or something, on the side of course.

Now she's a mother, has her value gone up or down?

Maybe Donald Trump,,, but wait, Scully may Not Want to sit down on the Job.

Ah well, you either win some, or not!

[dazzledavey36 48,864]

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/torn-on-tom-scully/story-e6frf9jf-1226004037284

Ron Barassi torn on scully

[Dee Fan 3,247]

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/pies-will-poach-giants-stars-20110210-1aooc.html

This is a great response from Thomas at Collingwood.

Thomas, who turns 24 in June, yesterday insisted football wasn't ''all about money'' and says he expects to remain with the Magpies next year.

A key figure in the premiership last year, Thomas, one of the league's more marketable players, said he has no intention of linking with the Giants.

''I haven't signed, I haven't spoken to even our club let alone Greater Western Sydney. You can tell Collingwood to start talking contracts if you like, that would be fantastic,'' he said.

''It is my last contracted year, I don't think it is my last year at Collingwood. I think it is funny that the papers have written all this stuff and we haven't heard a thing.''

Asked on Nova radio whether he would be at Collingwood next year, Thomas replied: ''I presume so. Do I want to be at Collingwood? Yes, for as long as they will have me.

''It is not all about money, the football business is about winning premierships.''

[GawnWithTheWind 604]

So our year goes on...

We can't catch a break, we finally stabilize ourselves financially and have a chance for a possible finals berth this year.. however rumors that our best potential in Tom Scully leaving will haunt everything we do this year. Ron Barassi has said "Tom Scully is a man now", we'll he needs to act like the rest of the men who have been rumored to GWS and confirm your love for the club your playing for.

I laughed off the rumours of GWS at the start, but I am struggling with it now. I think if he was commited to the 'project' that stynes/schwabb/bailey are embarking on then he should put his hand up and state his love and commitment.

I'm afraid that this could be a cancer for us this year... Its in your hands Tom, end the speculation!

[Robbie57 1,991]

So our year goes on...

We can't catch a break, we finally stabilize ourselves financially and have a chance for a possible finals berth this year.. however rumors that our best potential in Tom Scully leaving will haunt everything we do this year. Ron Barassi has said "Tom Scully is a man now", we'll he needs to act like the rest of the men who have been rumored to GWS and confirm your love for the club your playing for.

I laughed off the rumours of GWS at the start, but I am struggling with it now. I think if he was commited to the 'project' that stynes/schwabb/bailey are embarking on then he should put his hand up and state his love and commitment.

I'm afraid that this could be a cancer for us this year... Its in your hands Tom, end the speculation!

And in our hands to ignore it and allow him to get on with the footy and worry about any offers later in the year.

[stranga 328]

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/pies-will-poach-giants-stars-20110210-1aooc.html

This is a great response from Thomas at Collingwood.

Thomas, who turns 24 in June, yesterday insisted football wasn't ''all about money'' and says he expects to remain with the Magpies next year.

A key figure in the premiership last year, Thomas, one of the league's more marketable players, said he has no intention of linking with the Giants.

''I haven't signed, I haven't spoken to even our club let alone Greater Western Sydney. You can tell Collingwood to start talking contracts if you like, that would be fantastic,'' he said.

''It is my last contracted year, I don't think it is my last year at Collingwood. I think it is funny that the papers have written all this stuff and we haven't heard a thing.''

Asked on Nova radio whether he would be at Collingwood next year, Thomas replied: ''I presume so. Do I want to be at Collingwood? Yes, for as long as they will have me.

''It is not all about money, the football business is about winning premierships.''

Wouldn't it be nice to hear something along these lines from young Tom. Would put a lot of minds at ease. The silence is what is heightening suspicion

[John Crow Batty 8,258]

Wouldn't it be nice to hear something along these lines from young Tom. Would put a lot of minds at ease. The silence is what is heightening suspicion

Well Collingwood might not want Dale anymore if they had to pay over what they think he is worth. But I agree with your sentiment. I like to to see Tom come out and say he will play on with us next season. Will make us at ease but does not make sense because he will be exposed to possible injuries and poor form diminishing his value if waits till post season to sign. But he won't because IMO he has already signed some sort of agreement with GWS though not an official AFL contract as his manager says.

Rumours that turn out to be untrue usually never grow two heads like this one has. They float around for a while but loose traction, if they don't get debunked early the media eventually loses interest and they eventually fade away. I am sure the club now is already revising their future plans to accommodate a likely Scully exit.

Edited February 10, 2011 by america de cali

[Dr. Mubutu 694]

All other player similarities mentioned in this thread are vastly different

Buckley - moved back home to vic

Buckley was drafted from Port Adelaide, via the Bears' NT zoning allocations.

But he did always want to play for a Victorian team, so the sentiment is correct.

[Guest melbman]

Buckley was drafted from Port Adelaide, via the Bears' NT zoning allocations.

But he did always want to play for a Victorian team, so the sentiment is correct.

cheers

poor research on my behalf

[e25 5]

Buckley was drafted from Port Adelaide, via the Bears' NT zoning allocations.

But he did always want to play for a Victorian team, so the sentiment is correct.

It was a bit different too.

He always intended to leave Brisbane, a North approached Brisbane 18 months before Buckley was even a zone pre-selection.

Brisbane hadn't even heard of him, North only knew about him cos Buckley's father was friends with Blight, and an illegal deal was signed then & there for Brisbane to pre-select Buckley, then after a year trade him to North for a 2nd round draft pick.

Buckley began to show form in the SANFL, winning the Magarey Medal and their equivalent of the Norm Smith medal in the premiership winning team.

Until North came calling, he'd had a soft spot for Collingwood, due to the connections of his Port Adelaide coach and a majority of his teammates.

He never intended to stay at Brisbane and they had said they would trade him.

It got messy when Brisbane decided they wanted to keep him and Gubby Allan got involved on behalf of Collingwood.

North were quickly pushed aside and Carlton tried to get involved.

John Elliot apparently offered to "put an extra $100K in his top pocket" if he went to the Blues.

Essendon had just won the flag and were arrogant, wanting to know what Buckley thought he could do for them.

Collingwood had one of their lesser-known country scouts pretend to be Buckley's manager and who spoke to Birsbane and repeated insisted he refused to stay.

It was all incredibly messy.

The Scully situation is nothing at all like this.

[Dr. Mubutu 694]

cheers

poor research on my behalf

Argument's still sound, though.

I haven't heard Scully come out in public and say "I'd really like to play footy in Sydney, so I can play in a place where they struggle to get 15,000 to the supposed 'favourite' code."

Frankly, I'd be surprised if GWS could draw the curtains.

[dreamin' man 0]

I remember Buckley being interviewed when he was drafted & he said he'd been a Demons supporter growing up. An allegiance that was never referred to again.

[daisycutter 28,581]

Tom to his manager: "Well, here’s a another nice mess you’ve gotten me into."

Manager to Tom: "Believe me, this is the best way, without all the hassles of negotiating a new contract you will be able to just concentrate on your football."

Yeah Right! (apologies to Ollie amd Stan)

[Curry & Beer 5,444]

My Conclusion: the only explanation that stands up is the 'he's waiting to see what happens with the salary cap and free agency etc' before commiting. If that's not the reason then he must be going to leave.

[e25 5]

My Conclusion: the only explanation that stands up is the 'he's waiting to see what happens with the salary cap and free agency etc' before commiting. If that's not the reason then he must be going to leave.

That is terrible logic.

[John Crow Batty 8,258]

My Conclusion: the only explanation that stands up is the 'he's waiting to see what happens with the salary cap and free agency etc' before commiting. If that's not the reason then he must be going to leave.

Clauses can easily be written into a contract now to accommodate the Salary Cap and Free Agency issue to ensure he is not disadvantaged by them when and if they eventuate. No need to wait.

Some other posters have already mentioned this.

Edited February 11, 2011 by america de cali

[Demon2 58]

its not that they can sign any uncontracted player, no problems with that, you need to have a successful team if its a start up, we can't have another Bears, where players who weren't even gonna play were given to them.

But its more the bending over backwards the AFL is doing to accommodate them, something which they would never do for any other club currently in the system. This loophole they created where players can be signed between the end of their season and the draft is a joke, in actual fact your creating a culture of deception, and this is purely the creation of the AFL.

The teams, with extra cash should be using the current system that is available to all clubs to sign players.

Now they are going to be allowed to put the players names on the back of the jumper something no other club has been allowed to do, I know this is something small but it further shows the bias the AFL has. The Scum were threatened with points loss and massive fines when they wanted to put a yellow strip on their jumper to recognise and raise money for cancer research, so where is the fairness and objectivity of the independent board???

[H_T 2,941]

Clauses can easily be written into a contract now to accommodate the Salary Cap and Free Agency issue to ensure he is not disadvantaged by them when and if they eventuate. No need to wait.

Some other posters have already mentioned this.

Some other posters have also mentioned that his intent may be to have a very good season too.

Edited February 11, 2011 by High Tower
Thanks e25...45 was right...

[Curry & Beer 5,444]

That is terrible logic.

WHY? what other reason is there for not signing, the only one is that he expects to kick ass this year (as mentioned) in which case fleece us for more than he could now. That is not the best result for us either is it? That's when we get into the slippery area of paying one bloke way too much over his teamates

[John Crow Batty 8,258]

Some other posters have also mentioned that his intent may be to have a very good season too.

Yes, he must be physically bullet proof and iron willed.

No need to take the fat contract now that might affect his focus on the football. Seems to be his only weakness at the moment.

Nothing will stand in his way to resign for us at the end of the season. Knee soreness not withstanding.

Edited February 11, 2011 by america de cali

[Curry & Beer 5,444]

GWS link as Walker postpones talks

The club has initiated talks with Walker's management and put forward what it describes as an "extraordinarily good" offer, but the former Broken Hill junior's management has rejected the Crows' early advances.

[e25 5]

WHY? what other reason is there for not signing, the only one is that he expects to kick ass this year (as mentioned) in which case fleece us for more than he could now. That is not the best result for us either is it? That's when we get into the slippery area of paying one bloke way too much over his teamates

My god - have you not read any of the other responses in this thread?

How can you possibly ask that question?

Edited February 11, 2011 by e25

[nutbean 8,837]

GWS link as Walker postpones talks

The club has initiated talks with Walker's management and put forward what it describes as an "extraordinarily good" offer, but the former Broken Hill junior's management has rejected the Crows' early advances.

Interesting parallels...

I took note of the way Adelaide are handling their similar situation

We've spoken to his [Walker's] manager a couple of times and the bottom line is they want to put it [his contract negotiation] off until the end of the year and we respect that," Harper told the Adelaide Advertiser newspaper.

Obviously, it's not ideal for us but there's not much we can do about it. There's no use panicking about something you've got no control over. All you can do is try to talk to them about it and let them make a call from there. You can't force people to do what they don't want to do.

I dont see anywhere written - tell us what you are going to do or you go and play for Norwood- No ultimatums.

I also found this part interesting

Adelaide forward Chris Knights made a similar decision to delay contract talks last year and ended up re-signing with the club.

Edited February 11, 2011 by nutbean

[Curry & Beer 5,444]

Interesting parallels...

I took note of the way Adelaide are handling their similar situation

We've spoken to his [Walker's] manager a couple of times and the bottom line is they want to put it [his contract negotiation] off until the end of the year and we respect that," Harper told the Adelaide Advertiser newspaper.

Obviously, it's not ideal for us but there's not much we can do about it. There's no use panicking about something you've got no control over. All you can do is try to talk to them about it and let them make a call from there. You can't force people to do what they don't want to do.

I dont see anywhere written - tell us what you are going to do or you go and play for Norwood- No ultimatums.

I also found this part interesting

Adelaide forward Chris Knights made a similar decision to delay contract talks last year and ended up re-signing with the club.

the MFC hasn't issued any ultimatums either, just people on this site have

[Curry & Beer 5,444]

My god - have you not read any of the other responses in this thread?

How can you possibly ask that question?

ease up, there are 750+ posts in this bad boy

go on tell me then, if its not about getting a better deal at the end of this year (either through us or someone else), what is the delay for