Garry Lyon: Brad Green Rewarded For Courage

[Damo 3,289]

No love for Frawley as a potential future captain? Has plenty of good attributes.

Brings back a distinct disappointment when Greg Healy was "chosen" over Danny Hughes a fair way back when Robbie finished up.

Not sure if the players voted on that one.

Edited January 31, 2011 by Franky_31

[Curry & Beer 5,444]

I would have had Chippa over Jones myself

based on what exactly? the fact he is a better player? why do you think he has been voted in, it's because he has the respect of his peers as a leader.. but that doesn't matter does it you should just name your 6 best players in the leadership group

[H_T 3,042]

based on what exactly? the fact he is a better player? why do you think he has been voted in, it's because he has the respect of his peers as a leader.. but that doesn't matter does it you should just name your 6 best players in the leadership group

Pretty sure it's his opinion. The "I would have" gives it away.

[Rhino Richards 1,467]

Pretty sure it's his opinion. The "I would have" gives it away.

Shhh You'll give it away. B)

C&B can not only ask his probing questions but answers them too as well. Neat trick that.

[Sir Why You Little 36,761]

pretty sure the lord of knowledge can answer his own question

oh wait he can't

Best of Luck C & B....R.K.B. (Rhino knows Best) Having followed Jonesy on his facebook page for the last 6 months i am really glad he made it to the leadership group. As Bails said in the video clip "all players have a connection to the leadership group" That is so important with a young list. No one feels disconnected to the Leaders, so communication channels are open.

No disrespect to chippa whatsoever though, he can challenge for a leadership spot for 2012, keeps him hungry.

[needafullback 82]

Only at MFC could this ever be an ethos.

As dee -luded quoted.......

There are no exceptions if you want to be successful.

I thought someone might pick me up on this. I agree that everyone is expected to 'go when it's their turn', but this is vague. Acts of courage come in degrees. Is everyone expected to do what Riewoldt did in taking that mark in Sydney? Or go back as hard as Hird did when McVeigh caved his face in? Of course not. That's why these are completely exceptional acts of courage. Simply standing your ground, putting both hands up to mark and not ducking your head while the pack arrives, or simply not deviating from a straight line in attacking the contested ball are more stock-standard situations which are referred to when people talk about 'your turn'. Creating danger when there wasn't any by running back hard against the flight of the ball is not 'your turn' and only a few players who are rightly noted for their courage do it. Green is one of them. Rivers is another. Davey is not one. Realistically, every club only has a few.

That's what I meant.

Edited February 1, 2011 by High Tower
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[Rhino Richards 1,467]

I thought someone might pick me up on this. I agree that everyone is expected to 'go when it's their turn', but this is vague. Acts of courage come in degrees. Is everyone expected to do what Riewoldt did in taking that mark in Sydney? Or go back as hard as Hird did when McVeigh caved his face in? Of course not. That's why these are completely exceptional acts of courage. Simply standing your ground, putting both hands up to mark and not ducking your head and while the pack arrived, or simply not deviating from a straight line in attacking the contested ball are more stock-standard situations which are referred to when people talk about 'your turn'. Creating danger when there wasn't any by running back hard against the flight of the ball is not 'your turn' and only a few players who are rightly noted for their courage do it. Green is one of them. Rivers is another. Davey is not one. Realistically, every club only has a few.

That's what I meant.

Its not vague.

Its clear and simple when its your turn to make the physical contest for a ball you do it....you go. All players need to be able to effect that same level of courage whether running the straight line or running backwards into packs. Its not questioning whether there is danger involved.

And sides that have a couple of shirkers rarely play football in September and if they do they get found out very quickly.

[Rhino Richards 1,467]

Best of Luck C & B....R.K.B.

Pretty sure it's his opinion. The "I would have" gives it away.

Aren't you big on this issue WYL atm?

[needafullback 82]

Its not vague.

Its clear and simple when its your turn to make the physical contest for a ball you do it....you go. All players need to be able to effect that same level of courage whether running the straight line or running backwards into packs. Its not questioning whether there is danger involved.

And sides that have a couple of shirkers rarely play football in September and if they do they get found out very quickly.

I don't think you've really responded to my point about courage coming in degrees, which I explained with specific examples. On a football field you can see everything from obvious and embarrassing squibs (which I agree is never acceptable from anyone) to rare acts of reckless indifference to personal safety (like the ones I cited) and everything in between. Because there is this degree of variation, summing it all up with hackneyed old slogans like 'when it's your turn' is simplistic, and perhaps only refers to avoiding obvious acts of squibbery. On your argument, why are some players, like Green, particularly noted for their courage? Is everyone else a shirker?

The idea that all players do and should exhibit the same level of physical commitment is demonstrably false. Are you seriously saying that every player should go back like Riewoldt did in Sydney? A glance at the list of players who took the field in last year's Grand Finals also shows that sides who play off in September also have a healthy spread of players across the spectrum of courage...

[bing181 9,154]

I don't think you've really responded to my point about courage coming in degrees

Rhino doesn't do degrees.

Agree with your post myself. There's a difference between bravery and stupidity, and blindly putting yourself in dangerous situations is the latter.

I always remember what Robbie Flower said after getting cleaned up by Dipper on that fateful day in 1987: "It was my fault, I should never have been there".

[Rhino Richards 1,467]

I don't think you've really responded to my point about courage coming in degrees, which I explained with specific examples. On a football field you can see everything from obvious and embarrassing squibs (which I agree is never acceptable from anyone) to rare acts of reckless indifference to personal safety (like the ones I cited) and everything in between. Because there is this degree of variation, summing it all up with hackneyed old slogans like 'when it's your turn' is simplistic, and perhaps only refers to avoiding obvious acts of squibbery. On your argument, why are some players, like Green, particularly noted for their courage? Is everyone else a shirker?

The idea that all players do and should exhibit the same level of physical commitment is demonstrably false. Are you seriously saying that every player should go back like Riewoldt did in Sydney? A glance at the list of players who took the field in last year's Grand Finals also shows that sides who play off in September also have a healthy spread of players across the spectrum of courage...

The issue of committing to contest for a ball is a split second decision often taken where there is numerous people in your vicinity and the ball is in motion often in mid air. As a result there is no capacity or opportunity to readily assess all points of contact. The outcomes you talk about are what you see from the other side of the fence. The rule is simple whether or not the player is at risk you make the contest you dont avoid it. And what September results show you is that teams that are not prepared to commit and whether the contest fail...sometimes embarrassingly.

Agree with your post myself. There's a difference between bravery and stupidity, and blindly putting yourself in dangerous situations is the latter.

I always remember what Robbie Flower said after getting cleaned up by Dipper on that fateful day in 1987: "It was my fault, I should never have been there".

Flowers comments were in reference to the fact that he has his awareness radar down when he was collected by Dipper. It had nothing to do with a contested situation.

[Sir Why You Little 36,761]

Aren't you big on this issue WYL atm?

I discuss RR-You Argue.

[Rhino Richards 1,467]

I discuss RR-You Argue.

Here is what I said.....

I would have had Chippa over Jones myself

I guess you cant work out an opinion from an argument. Oh well.