Cale Morton Vs Cyril Rioli

[olgreydingo 51]

Do you think we got our picks right in the 2007 Draft in hind sight?

1 CARLTON MATTHEW KREUZER

2 RICHMOND TRENT COTCHIN

3 WEST COAST CHRIS MASTEN

4 MELBOURNE CALE MORTON

5 WESTERN BULLDOGS JARRAD GRANT

6 ESSENDON DAVID MYERS

7 FREMANTLE RHYS PALMER

8 BRISBANE LIONS LACHLAN HENDERSON

9 ST KILDA BEN MCEVOY

10 ADELAIDE PATRICK DANGERFIELD

11 SYDNEY PATRICK VEZSPREMI

12 HAWTHORN CYRIL RIOLI

13 WEST COAST BRAD EBERT

14 MELBOURNE JACK GRIMES

15 KANGAROOS ROBBIE TARRANT

16 PORT ADELAIDE MATTHEW LOBBE

17 GEELONG HARRY TAYLOR

18 RICHMOND ALEX RANCE

19 WESTERN BULLDOGS CALLAN WARD

20 WEST COAST TONY NOTTE

21 MELBOURNE ADDAM MARIC

22 WEST COAST SCOTT SELWOOD

23 ESSENDON TAYTE PEARS

24 FREMANTLE CLAYTON HINKLEY

25 BRISBANE LIONS TOM COLLIER

26 SYDNEY BRETT MEREDITH

27 ADELAIDE ANDY OTTEN

28 PORT ADELAIDE MARLON MOTLOP

29 HAWTHORN BRENDAN WHITECROSS

30 ADELAIDE JARRHAN JACKY

[Kit Walker 209]

Do you think we got our picks right in the 2007 Draft in hind sight?

No complaints at this stage - still think there may be more upside to Morton than Rioli, but both will be excellent players.

Sydney might be a little unhappy about their choice, but there is a fair bit of drafting for needs between our pick at 4 and Hawthorn at 12 - particularly Essendon and St Kilda.

[mo64 5,260]

Do you think we got our picks right in the 2007 Draft in hind sight?

It's premature to ask whether we took the right picks because players develop at different rates depending on their draft age. But purely based on performance to date, here's who I'd rate as having a greater impact than the Melbourne players:

Morton - Rioli, Palmer, Taylor.

Grimes - Taylor, Otten, Whitecross

Maric - Pears, Otten, Whitecross

[The Emblem 1]

Do you think we got our picks right in the 2007 Draft in hind sight?

I think you'd be happy drafting either of these two.

From our perspective already having Flash and subsequently recruiting Aussie and Maric our stock of quality crumbing forwards is pretty good.

[e25 5]

I wouldn't be happy with Palmer at all - he can't hit a target.

The initial hype will fade and he'll be seen as an also-ran from that draft

There's about 15 players there i'd take first

[John Dee 439]

I think that we picked the right ones. Morton will have far more impact on games than Rioli in the long run; Grimes is a little beauty; Maric is a work in progress and the only one thus far that has not fully confirmed his status.

[Binmans PA 26,500]

Maric maybe, but even still we need to give him time too.

[olgreydingo 51]

Maric maybe, but even still we need to give him time too.

Who would you have drafted? Selwood may be?

[H_T 2,941]

In a word, No. Happy with Cale. Despite Rioli's brilliance. Might want to re-visit this in 3-4 years time. They play diffrerent positions.

TBH I'm happy to have Morton with the likes of Davey, Bennell at present, if we didn't have a Davey, Bennell, Jetta and/or Wonaeamirri, you might have got a different response, because of a need for a speedy small forward such as Rioli.

Very happy with Grimes so far. So far haven't seen anything to suggest otherwise for Maric either.

[e25 5]

Who would you have drafted? Selwood may be?

Exactly. Once (if) he develops as expected, his precision delivery will be invaluable. Well, handy at least.

[Binmans PA 26,500]

Who would you have drafted? Selwood may be?

No, what I meant was I'd perhaps only swap Maric for Rioli if the draft had been different. I certainly wouldn't swap Morton, he'll be a superstar and as for Grimes he could be anything. I have faith in our drafting of the past 2 years, we've drafted only what we've absolutely needed, rather than average midfielders, one after the other, or rejects from other clubs. We've really stuck to our youth policy, which provides me with great confidence.

[mo64 5,260]

No, what I meant was I'd perhaps only swap Maric for Rioli if the draft had been different.

Rioli was taken before Maric, so there was no choice between the two.

[olgreydingo 51]

No, what I meant was I'd perhaps only swap Maric for Rioli if the draft had been different. I certainly wouldn't swap Morton, he'll be a superstar and as for Grimes he could be anything. I have faith in our drafting of the past 2 years, we've drafted only what we've absolutely needed, rather than average midfielders, one after the other, or rejects from other clubs. We've really stuck to our youth policy, which provides me with great confidence.

In reality you can only look at guys after Maric. However I believe no matter what you draft the best kid, and not what you need at the time. you can build a team around a super star over time (Not that the D's have had a super star for ages). Like the 2000 draft at 16 we took Scott Thompson (now gone), and we missed D Kerr at 18. And in the 2001 draft we took Luke Molan at 9 and missed N. Del santo at 13. But them's the breaks.

It is just interesting to see what may have been! <_<

[Nasher 33,166]

So far, very very happy with our picks. Morton's scope for development is out of sight. At the very worst we'll just get a "good" footballer. The best case scenario is stuff of dreams; better than anything Rioli could deliver IMO, and there's no doubting Rioli is a very, very good player.

Grimes seems to have been an absolute bargain at 14 as well.

[Binmans PA 26,500]

Rioli was taken before Maric, so there was no choice between the two.

Yes, I know. I was speaking hypothetically.

[CarnTheDees 52]

Based on performance to date I would have them:

1. Palmer

2. Rioli

3. Morton

4. Kreuzer

5. Harry Taylor

Based on who I would want to have for 10+ years given what we have seen so far:

1. Palmer

2. Morton

3. Rioli

4. Cotchin

5. Taylor

[MikeyJ 60]

No complaints at this stage - still think there may be more upside to Morton than Rioli, but both will be excellent players.

Sydney might be a little unhappy about their choice, but there is a fair bit of drafting for needs between our pick at 4 and Hawthorn at 12 - particularly Essendon and St Kilda.

It's unlikely the Swans will be unhappy with taking Veszpremi. He's going to be a very, very good player for them. Injuries have cruelled his output thus far, but wait until he gets fit again.

[MikeyJ 60]

And my top five choices from that draft would be:

1. Cotchin

daylight

2. Morton

3. Rioli

4. Kreuzer

5. Palmer

[e25 5]

And my top five choices from that draft would be:

1. Cotchin

daylight

2. Morton

3. Rioli

4. Kreuzer

5. Palmer

I would've said daylight after Rioli, but you're not too far off.

Cotchin will be a gem

[Freak 100]

Rioli - match winner, premiership and is the most skillful player in todays game. Possible All-Australian as early as this year.

Can't see how anyone would consider putting anyone else above him

[mo64 5,260]

Rioli - match winner, premiership and is the most skillful player in todays game. Possible All-Australian as early as this year.

Can't see how anyone would consider putting anyone else above him

Agree. I don't buy the argument that Morton has more upside than Rioli simply because he's taller and physically undeveloped. If Morton becomes a match winner with great defensive qualities, which is where Rioli is at, I'd be rapt.

[Rhino Richards 1,467]

So far, very very happy with our picks. Morton's scope for development is out of sight. At the very worst we'll just get a "good" footballer. The best case scenario is stuff of dreams; better than anything Rioli could deliver IMO, and there's no doubting Rioli is a very, very good player.

Grimes seems to have been an absolute bargain at 14 as well.

Agree with all that.

Both look like being outstanding players.

I don't buy the argument that Morton has more upside than Rioli simply because he's taller and physically undeveloped.

I dont think that argument has been expressed at all in this thread. Nothing to buy there.

[Rhino Richards 1,467]

Rioli - match winner, premiership and is the most skillful player in todays game. Possible All-Australian as early as this year.

Ablett????

[Einstein 1]

Do you think we got our picks right in the 2007 Draft in hind sight?

1 CARLTON MATTHEW KREUZER

2 RICHMOND TRENT COTCHIN

3 WEST COAST CHRIS MASTEN

4 MELBOURNE CALE MORTON

5 WESTERN BULLDOGS JARRAD GRANT

6 ESSENDON DAVID MYERS

7 FREMANTLE RHYS PALMER

8 BRISBANE LIONS LACHLAN HENDERSON

9 ST KILDA BEN MCEVOY

10 ADELAIDE PATRICK DANGERFIELD

11 SYDNEY PATRICK VEZSPREMI

12 HAWTHORN CYRIL RIOLI

13 WEST COAST BRAD EBERT

14 MELBOURNE JACK GRIMES

15 KANGAROOS ROBBIE TARRANT

16 PORT ADELAIDE MATTHEW LOBBE

17 GEELONG HARRY TAYLOR

18 RICHMOND ALEX RANCE

19 WESTERN BULLDOGS CALLAN WARD

20 WEST COAST TONY NOTTE

21 MELBOURNE ADDAM MARIC

22 WEST COAST SCOTT SELWOOD

23 ESSENDON TAYTE PEARS

24 FREMANTLE CLAYTON HINKLEY

25 BRISBANE LIONS TOM COLLIER

26 SYDNEY BRETT MEREDITH

27 ADELAIDE ANDY OTTEN

28 PORT ADELAIDE MARLON MOTLOP

29 HAWTHORN BRENDAN WHITECROSS

30 ADELAIDE JARRHAN JACKY

Can't say I have any issues with who we drafted. You could say Rioli is the better player of the lot right now, hard to disagree at this stage, maybe Cotchin, but there's many years to come to determine this argument. Morton is the type we needed and will ultimately be an elite player. Grimes was a solid selection at 14, the guy is going to be something. And as for Maric, can't question this selection either. Who would you rather have taken? I think Maric is going to be a real talent once he gets a few games into him. He kicked two goals last week, but he set up or was directly involved in another three with a couple of sweet handballs and one little touch kick. After that Geelong horror game he had, he has done nothing but show great promise.

I'll stick with our choices anyday.

[Freak 100]

Ablett????

lol, are you joking? Ablett isn't close to being one of the most skillful players in the comp. He has an ability to break tackles, but his footskills are not even close to rioli's. Ablett is simply good because his body shape is impossible to tackle.

Most skilfull players in my opinion are

1.Rioli

2. Steve Johnson

3. Daniel Motlop

All have done things Ablett simply cant do. The reason Ablett is the 2nd best player in the comp (behind franklin..best KP is always better than the best midfielder) is because he has a greater work rate, a stronger body, and a better team around him.