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If Hampton could actually kick the footy he'd be a player.

Rightly or wrongly Grimes is a former captain of the club. He is clearly not part of the list moving forward and doesn't fall under depth player as it seems our kids will be given games before he gets another look in. Would anyone trade for him, I think it's unlikely. Assuming his contract was front loaded are we better off coming to an agreement at years end. Let's be realistic, the top clubs are ruthless hence that's why they're on top.

Who should we have gone for?

After we beat Geelong he was the messiah again, after losing to the Bombers he's back to being a very naught boy.....

I took one multi with North dogs Eagles Hawks dockers Giants dees crows saints Combined odds of $147.93. Dogs and saints are big chances I think.

That number was also speculative....at best.

Nice, I only go head to head. I tried getting smart once by tipping qtr by qtr leaders to increase the odds. Suns lead at qtr time, Hawks went on to win by over 100. Now I just keep it simple. Small amounts still add up.

Won a little bit of North tonight but will not be betting on them again all year. They are a mess, if they fall into the 8 hopefully they are bundled straight back out along with Richmond.

The only "name player" that I can think of in recent times who held off from signing all year before putting pen to paper was Cloke. The only "name player" that I can think of in recent times who had the balls to say I'm off at years end was Phil Davis and subsequently dropped for the rest of the year. We have had VB, Angus and Petracca (possibly others I can't recall) all extend their contracts. We've heard nothing with regards to the Toump.

Of course it's assumption, did you have to ask? 98% of stuff posted here is speculative.

No worries alright. Next weeks changes - Grimes, Jordie, Toump

Last year Roos played Chip forward. This was done to prepare the defence for "life after". Dunn had a stellar first half of the season before dropping off then steadying somewhat. TMac having a similar year. Also with Hogan out we needed to try and compete to some extent. This year if Pedo and Frost weren't injured Roos could entertain the idea of dropping Howe. Howe is a seasoned player, clubs aren't stupid, they know what he brings to the table. If anything playing Toumpas is lowering his trade value.

Not playing and no contract.

The 22 named are what Roos/Goodwin consider to be the best 22 available. No more mass changes, the young players have to stick it out and learn what's required together. There's enough senior players out there. I would of liked to of seen either Newton/Michie given another chance. The whole Dawes/Howe thing has been done to death.

Quality possessions? Or sideways/backwards short chip kicks? He's not known for elite disposal. Papers officially stamped.

Grimes - cooked, clearly not part of Goodwins plans Toumpas - no contract on the table, can't get a game

Post of the year so far.

I wouldn't use the word excited but I would like to see them given another opportunity. Grimes and Dawes have been given theirs for every reason other than their football ability. Things like leadership/play their role/ not developed properly/great public speakers are continually thrown up as to why they are getting a game or should get one. Howe is apparently playing to keep us his trade price, rival clubs know what they get with Howe whether he plays another game this year of not. I personally would like to see Melbourne do something different. Go in with a fwd line looking something like Garlett Watts JKH VB Hogan Newton Mix it up a bit, we couldn't do any worse.

It says a lot doesn't it, but it says even more about those who don't make the team this week.

If Grimes is to play should he start in defence? Is he to rotate through the midfield?

When I was referring to the environment I meant the club. Collingwood spend millions in their football department and have invested heavily in Cloke most recently hiring a sports psychologist. We've all seen the results. You can either kick or you can't.

Exactly, the same day Roos has an article about "the next 8 weeks" we name a bloke who's about to retire, a bloke who's overpaid and can't get a game but is still contacted for next year and a bloke who may well be delisted in ten weeks.Wow. At least give Newton and Michie a couple of games in a row to prove themselves.

They have some star quality mids, we have a better overall team.

Well as we know contracts dong mean anything anymore. Anyone know anyone in the AFP? Would love to get a phone tap happening, just curious to if he's been contacted that is all.

Anyone else hoping Freo finally land that key fwd that has eluded them for so long.