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They play Freo, and Freo me owes after a few weeks back.

What are you saying? He didn't play for the free like Robinson.

Having played a whopping 21 games in his career. Yes he made mistakes but he takes the game on which is what we need. Needs better awareness and to work on his disposal.Considering how many games we've gifted Grimes 91, Jordie 79, M Jones 48, I would like to see him persisted with. Even if he's the sub.

Im expecting them to beat North next week.

Thank god someone's said it. Thanks. We also have Vince and Cross not only shutting players down but damaging sides going the other way, something Grimes has never done.

Dont forget Frost.

Just throwing this up. Swans have too many mids in the same mould and need some new blood in defense. Would they be interested in Fitzy??

Yes, JKH. You're right he was poor. The names you've thrown up Michie/Newton/Riley all deserve another crack. We've got 8-9 games left?? I'd like Roos to try and get game time into those guys. Maybe say well play Michie/Riley/Newton for 4 games regardless of form, giving Stretch/ANB/JKH a rest then swap them back for the last couple. Maybe keep Stretch and rotate the others. Something along those lines.

His kicking needs some work.

Yes he did but he attacked the game all be it turned it over a lot. We're not playing finals and have an easy draw, I'd like to see him get a run of games. Others have had their chances. He manages to find himself in space with the ball. Needs to work on awareness and disposal. Has potential.

Purely speculation but let's be honest, - ex captain - senior player Plenty of opportunities for him to have played this year and has been left out. I think the coaches have moved on.

I honestly don't think Grimes is coming back.

Which leaders will stand up?

Exactly, yes he's made some errors but he's taking the game on, something we we're need.

Merrett will try and rough up Hogan.

Due to our lack of realisation we need to turn up mentally every week.

The Hawks seem to do alright without a dominant ruckman.

More depth? On top of who? Our team today carriers a couple of passengers. The first three named is the BOG are Jamar who is 8 weeks of retirement and Grimes and McKenzie who both are not AFL standard. Last weeks loss to the Bombers along with the Hawks pantsing of Sydney shows we are still some time away.

By manipulate do you mean dubious tribunal decisions?

Agree, I think it's highly likely. If Hawks offer to the Cats he'd have to consider it.

Even if Mcgovern didn't go down(still might be back in time)I think the Hawks have them covered. I'm still thinking Hawks will land either Danger or Treloar.

4 peat anyone?

Hawks still to play Carlton twice. Eagles and Richmond will find out the hard way too.

If our team all stood in centre of the ground and were yold... If you can't dispose of the footy leave now. If all you bring is bringing the ball to ground leave now. If you can't play hard contested footy leave now. If you don't understand that you need to come ready to play every week leave now. How many would be left.

The only thing he's gotten right was how he handled the tragic passing of Phil Walsh.