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I thought Buddy was younger, my bad. I look at it this way(and it's probably not the right way), what would the club have to cough up if they were trading for that player. In the case of Buddy regardless of his age it would of been more than pick 19. Judds a great example. Carlton lost a pick 3 and a gun player. That happened before all of this.

Danger age 25 154 games current star of the comp Treloar age 22 78 games tracking as a future star of the comp Collingwood stand to loose this years first round pick and next years first/second round. Geelong stand to loose nothing. Rather than the AFL use its secret formula to say Adelaide get pick x. Why don't they do the reverse and to Geelong if you want him our formula says Danger is worth 2 first round picks, or a first and second round. Do you still want him? Adelaide would then get their first round pick that they're entitled to plus any additional picks warranted for losing a star. Geelong don't get their cake and eat it too.

Cheers for that.The AFL is worth millions, they should step in and take over all academy's with its players able to be drafted anywhere.

Do we know how is the academy funded by AFL %wise and how much do the Swans tip in?Why can't the academy's be 100% funded by the AFL and kids are drafted where they are taken in the draft.

And without starting a riot, yes mental health issues are serious and should be treated as such, for me the jury is out on "what's happening with Buddy"(I don't need people telling me they know for a fact that.....). As we've been advised we're not aloud/going to speculate but at the time he was traded he was and still is a superstar. Like anything buyer beware. If Danger does his ACL or strikes out 3 times for illicit drugs that's bad luck for the club involved at the time.

I think they were. Many will disagree and that's fine. The fact they won it last year and are a big chance this year is a credit to them.

I'm not a fan off the Hawks but I admire what they have achieved and hope they win it this year. No COLA, no academy players(someone mentioned Cyril was on a scholarship?, not sure how that works). Yes they recurred a priority years ago but they have recruited and developed better than the rest.

So Geelong being a "higher" club get Danger and keep their first round pick? They remain a power, pick up a great talent(star of the comp) free of charge and still have pick 9 before the Crows even get a look in with there first pick.Who wins there? I'm not suggesting my ideas are perfect but the current system doesn't work.

It says free agency will remain until the end of 2016, then what? A review? Compensation is based on a formula determined by the AFL. The Hawks were rightly shafted when Buddy left, regardless if their compensation pick came directly after their 1st pick. I'm a fan of the first 18 picks bring untainted. No more priority picks and 1st round compensation. So if Danger goes to Geelong, Crows get an extra first rounder and Geelong keep theirs. Yet Collingwood get Treloar and loose their first round pick and possibly a first or second round pick from next year. I do like the trading of future picks, there's a sense of unknown there and it can be a risk. Scrap RFA and make clubs trade current picks, because in reality the Crows should get Geelongs first pick this year and next. That would be fair. I don't mind the URA. I'm sick of the Freeman/Boyd/McCarthy situation, with the incoming pay rise should be the player movement without consent. Sick of people citing family reasons, they can move back after their career is over.

Any mention of Redden?

"selfish" bastard.

But it's a bloody close second.

You can't say that. Some posters are getting snooty about the apparent lack of respect shown towards some of our players....

Yes Danger is going to the cats but I would have thought Stevie J was moved on because it was time. Yes he helped to influence the odd game but so did Goodes and Cross. They are staggering the retirements of their champs. Bartel had a bit left after returning from a long injury lay off during the year. He can sit on a back flack, play limited minutes in the midfield or sit in a forward pocket.

No, I'm not. Some try and just aren't good enough. Some try when it suits them.

I still remember pre season v the Tigers two years ago, 3 goals in a qtr. Disposal needs some tidying up. Mixed reports from Casey throughout the year. Contracted for two more years. I'm assuming this club is no longer into waiting 7 years for a breakout season.

Im not a fan of the lack of respect shown to the jumper by those that wear it.

With players like Kennedy missing out Jones has a long way to go.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.Many on here rate the two. Lions can pick from Garland/Grimes/Watts/Doors/Toumpas. It's a bit like a hotbox at a servo with yesterday's pies in it.

Howe + Grimes for Redden and their 3rd round Howe + Garland for Redden and their 2d round Offer Redden 4 yesrs. We loose 2 pieces of dead wood. Their 2nd round pick could nab a handy player.

Doesn't warrant an AFL investigation. - team match ups - game plan Next....

What part was sensitive?What did the Dogs do differently to the rest of the year?

Is that the same link that says he's considering a revised offer from the club. The offer being largely back ended.

For next year then out of the game.Opening a pub with Richard Tambling.

Cheeney, but your initial point stands and is bloody valid.