chookrat

Interesting that Jordan has had a longer career and played more games than Nathan Jones across two clubs but has had only 2 coaches (3 including the games Brendan Bolton coached while Clarkson took time off to recover from an auto immune illness), compared to Jones who has had 8 senior coaches (including caretakers) : 1. Neale Daniher 2. Mark Riley 3. Dean Bailey 4. Todd Viney 5. Mark Neeld 6. Neil Craig 7. Paul Roos 8. Simon Goodwin

Hopefully it means 4 years of linear imrpovement for us - haha

In reading about Ross Lyon's history with Fremantle they went from minor premiers and preliminary finalists in 2015 to 16th on the ladder in 2016 with only 4 wins. They finished above Brisbane and an Essendon VFL reserves team. https://m.afl.com.au/news/2016-08-25/season-review-fremantle Here are some excerpts from the AFL season review. An interesting observation is the reference to giving up a staggering amount of goals from turnovers. What we said in the pre-season We predicted a top-four finish if all went to plan and finals at a minimum even if things went slightly awry. No one predicted a 16th-place finish. No Nat Fyfe, Aaron Sandilands, Michael Johnson, Harley Bennell and Alex Pearce for the majority of the year made things difficult, but their form was poor when the majority of those players were available early on. What failed The 12-month quest to improve skills and ball movement has been an utter failure. The Dockers worked extensively on their ball movement over the summer, attempting to bridge the gap to the masterful Hawks. But the Dockers have not even come close to replicating the Hawks and have given up a staggering amount of goals from turnovers in the second half of the year.

What would happem if we weren't able to field a healthy 22? Would the AFL force us to play an injured player, would we play one short, or would the AFL allow us to contract a VFL listed player that is not on an AFL list, e.g. When Essendon were banned due to their illegal systematic doping program.

I agree Kelpien, and as for Inside Melbourne podcast the club can replace it with the players practising skills.

Now that we are locked in at 17th position I'd like to see us win,but in a way that we don't over exert and risk injury. Pretty much both sides kicking down the line and a total of 10 goals for both sides, boring inspiring football which we win.

I'd pass on Ben Brown. While he provides a target and kicks lots of goals he looks a bit silly, does long run ups and lacks drinking prowess. We don't need such attributes in a marque player.

I seriously think he's worth a look at. Handled himself extremely well at Carlton through serious injuries and has been super this year. Would probably get him for a rookie spot and would help free up Salem to play in the midfield and could also play wing. Use our first round pick for sn 18 year old and later picks/trades for 23 and under y/olds and we can afford a 30 y/old rookie that we will get a season out of.

With the season well and truly done and dusted I hope the players are focussed on important matters such as what they will wear to mad Monday and not some junk time game v North Melbourne. My call is that we will have a Game of Thrones theme with Clarry as Brianne of Tar, Gus as Ramsay Bolton and Pruessy as Hodor. Any suggestions re themes and costumes?

Im not sure Gawn or Lever's knees can handle the weight of captiancy.

It's a good point re potential to have won another 5 games with a functional forward line. As well as poor fitness and preparation we also lacked key players capable of getting us across the line in close games against the likes of Port Adelaide, Adelaide, WCE x 2, Doggies and St Kilda (second time we played them). WCE finished in the bottom 6 on 9 wins and a % of 95% in 2013 which featured a two win Melbourne, GWS and Gold Coast despite having a mature list. They featured deep in September both before and after having such a poor season. While this season has been a disaster in comparison to WCE in 2013 it's not much worse.

Fair point, Clarry has still been one of our best players and I'm probably being a bit harsh on him due to how good he has been in his first couple of seasons.

How many times did he man the mark on the wrong side?

This is a good analysis and I think also draws discussion that older, more experienced lists should by virtue of age and experience have more depth to cover for injuries and players returning from injury.

Saty, I appreciate your training reports and contribution to Demonland but I don't agree with potting supporters who have had enough. I really hope that our supporters renew, and that more than 70% on here plan to is a real positive, but I respect those who don't plan to renew and hope that after a break from the emotional torture of this year they decide (foolishly or not) to give another roll of the dice. To borrow the words of Max Gawn, you cannot win a premiership in the offseason but you can certianly lose one, the same applies to our supporter base who are important to achieving success and being a strong club.

I'm definitely going to renew my membership along with our 3 kids. Might even sign the wife up. While I can understand the anger and disappointment, which as a member I share too, I genuinely believe we can bounce back next season and be in contention and every membership and supporter attending games will help. I urge fellow supporters to sign up and signup early as a show of support fr the club - dedicated demon is a good auto renew option. Dees!

Clarry has had a pretty ordinary season and while he tackles and gets lots of the ball he gets rid of the ball too quickly and often to a teammate under pressure. Difficult to tell how much is due to his game v our system breaking down.

ET the problem I see is that he cared about recieving the ball more than a teammate having a set shot at goal. Not a big deal but shows the pressure the players are under and probably a bit of self preservation.

I would have liked for Jones to have wrestled Oliver to the ground.

Listened to Pert on the Inside Melbourne podcast and he come across as pragmatic and assured. Despite the disaster that 2019 has been our club has managed the fall out well and looks to have a clear plan for turning things around in the off season.this goes for Goody as well who is clearly under alot of pressure but working hard to turn things around. I certainly think we are capable of turning 2020 into a successful year if the players/coaches/admin all do their bit and supporters get along to games.

I understand the apprehension but were not going to improve by doing same, same so lets try something out of the box. Izzy is too good to be lost to sport forever.

So apparently Izzy Folau has had a falling out eith Rugby Australia and won't be donning the green and gold for the world cup. World class, professional athlete who has played the game with some success (GWS) and could bring him on as a category B rookie, so won't cost much. Sure he has some pretty strange beliefs such as everyone going to hell and that it's ok to keep slaves so pong as they are foreign, but these minor 'quirks' may even help galvanise the playing group. Thoughts?

What is a Twomey?

Hirdy

Is 'led to believe' a fancy way of saying I'm going to throw an idea out there and see if it gains traction?